Mirror Edges Through Horizons

Descent to Razor Edge Zero Division Spaces

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 Mirror Edges Through Horizons  

L. Edgar Otto   20 April, 2013

*the dimensional volume of zero can be divided by a number (other than zero but in division which side is nature on of a mirror- or is this zero by zero division an absolute grounding of dynamic descent or fixed laws of nature as uncertainty?)

*the general concept with descent is that a creative or casual entity may have different values on the other side, the dark side, of such mirrors. This the issue of multiplicity as indeterminate or many valued when compared to a focused center of connectivity in a region of space or at such a contained singularity the entering again compressed by vectors describing the symmetry of a system.

*The horizon, or surface of a box metaphor, of creative objects is not necessarily a flat horizon as if a mirror surface nor in a quasifinite universe we necessarily define that difference of the inside or outside.

*We in the abstract can slice so as to divide a zero volume as if to duplicate that volume or remove half of it which does not technically exist locally in the first place.

*But what of the quasi-infinite?   That descent into curvature when compared to the ideal as if an absolute space of certainty?  This I hinted at yesterday in the commentary on Leo Vuyk and Matti Pitkanen's vision.  While my system borders on the metaphysical principle with its ideal absolutes, Vuykian and Pitkanen systems do describe certain more standard phenomena as described as physics, question of which there is no other answer or any considered as a need for explanation beyond some noted half mystery.

*Standard physics shuns any idea that may exceed the standard reduction beyond a grounding at zero.  Pitkanen tries to show abstract linear elements with width of emptiness or the wormholes as does compactafication ideas or extensions of string theory that in effect makes action a minimum zero.  Vuyk says the same general thing but applies to his raspberry universe on these looping wormholes the general real multiplicity of a wider continuum of universe ( a sort of localized ultranscontinuum in my terms) in particular the monopoles extend very far outward much like the effects of a boundless but finite continuum where only in the remote action and symmetry do these have significant local effects.

*Why do we imagine that two poles, say of a magnet, are equal... in the first place one or the other of electric or magnetic fields as multiplicity, with a centering, may not exist in the first place relative to some system of rest and motion as well the grounding plane on in a grounding brane as a mirror of interpretative volume or abstract dimensions.  The neutral but one signed monopole to its mirror image may lead us to question if its anti or super particle is multiple- so in this we may imagine some difference that a well as defining mass may be a new source of energy as if in a wider quantum zero point space.  Can the Higgs then be multiple or if we actually transited between mirrors would that image be singular and what we see of concrete particles here as multiple as the general physics may be interchanged?  How else is it that, at least on the organic molecular level, the mirror images have different strengths?

*One problem we attempt to ask if not solved is readily seen by the descent into a more classical model, like the Bohr like atom (where it may make some sense that an electron is but the illusion we imagine from outside as if an epicycle and the singularity or complex of singularity more fundamental so to define it in its dimensional aspect of rest and motion, a sort of iota string or ray or particle in my system.  In this case, in the charge range of intelligible and relevant dimensions, the span and depth of the count of its sub-parts is at once multiple or singular as the same description.

*What explains magnetism but the shells of electrons and the count of their direction of spin, if one flips it may emit a photon or change its relation of distance to the nucleus?  In my symmetric atom where the number theory grounding is a mater of shadows, mirrors and symmetry- the Z=120 elements some shells shielding others... the principles such as Vuyk's and Pitkanen's in the background, the caution to frame physics in these terms of power series of descent and potentials forces, centrifugal or centripetal if we can make the distinction as to which is certain as concrete, we find and explain in a standard way what is observed :  that the heat changes the electron configuration, that it can align magnetic properties of atoms to a hierarchy of descent (or ascending) systems of quasinfinite loops of quasifinite magnetic lines... we can in fact take an iron bar and by adding to it the shock of a hammer align them over the chaos toward the earth's magnetic poles. But electric force energy as well as random chaos will organize them equally unto the measure and sensing of the space abstract just as some creatures like the turtles use for navigation yet are not aware of a change of temperature when caught in ocean currents.

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Debate as to the Relativity of Virtual Centripetal Forces

As I have posted earlier, as to what holds up the world that famous reply to Russel by an older lady - "cleaver young man, it is turtles all the way up and all the way down..."  But this is too narrow a case itself... for it is also turtles all the way left and right, forward and back, future and past and so on...  But we all have our strengths and sensibilities of perception (not all of us can have the advantage of an invasive species that like bad apples spoil the rest and seem anti-social in their brainwashed violence the business of the  leveling in name only of overly generous abilities as a doctrine of diversity (the universities in their holding up the society as if on the slippery planes of crystalline plastron shells against the ignorance indulges and is the source of much violence in the shared society so author ignorance itself) 

From their mirror universe some group which for most of us we imagine worthwhile believes as in a nation regardless of issues like race- that the philosophy to level the world gains certain groups have to lose- but as to the concept of mirrors their choices of sides to apply is not the unfolding of general opportunity and evolution but narrow reaction to which to their very wisdom they remain blind and to which when the climate changes as in the economy their liberal stance goes out the window and for those who are the mentally ill or brainwashed children of violence they become a target themselves and as well as the townsfolk do not really give nor know explanations for some such action.

In their schizophrenic universe it is crackpots all the way up and down, forward and backward, loners and helpers of fellow men, left and right.

As long as this is the case a nation will not in its achievements in science can but repeat the mistakes of past explorations and keeps up with what is behind as not even original.  If we imagine in the false scarcity and rule of arbitrary law where in the end conquest is the fact of a state or empires expansion and persistence the pendulum has to swing back to where individuals for the good make a difference- science is not ever big enough not to fail if it descends into the multiplicity of the collective slope that is grounded on narrow vision, narrow investment in tools and the people... such big science we could consider the true small pond of crack-pottery in descent to which we all should learn to grow limbs and crawl out of a drying pond, fly, reach for the stars... figure out why some of us is a little lacking in what is the obvious in common sense.

Life has only the purpose we half choose to give and make or do it in these matters.  After incubation we should put away the myths of our children's stories and face the situations without fear so not paralyzed to explore and in the multiplicity of paradox when so many of us, know the truth and the sensible stance in comforting joy- that there are no guarantees, no necessary realities.  In the idea past the weapons of mass destruction that takes food out of the mouths of a state's people of the balance of power, we now find cracks in the vanished stalemate that this generation is tarnished by a more subtle bravado against diffuse and multiple terror.  It can only get worse when in our technology one lone soul can bring the multitudes near extinction.

But where in the general rights and scheme of things can we ever find how to trust ourselves and each other, find what we as a wider civilization vaguely imagines sane all the way up and all the way down?

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On the Multiplicity of Complimentary Unipolar Entities

I am amazed certain principles on all or both sides of an issue are taken as gospel and it could be that there is a powerful natural principle I am not yet capable of understanding  (indeed, I would welcome enlightenment on these issues if it can be shown to me on a deeper foundational and intuitive level as a unique case that could resolve the unity or reason for facts of our existence, for science itself).  But in principle just as with our stances and models of space or metaphors of our subjective, quasi-moral and quasi-religious feelings as reality, we may not be able to distinguish the source of ultimate error as to if fault is within or without we as sinners, assumptions that there is a strict wrong on either side of a region full or empty that is a quasifinite mirror. 

Wisdom in our exploration of the universe and its mysteries, secrets if obtainable as science so in the main useful although invisible to proof save the proof of its core given being to which we may legitimately offer statements of patterns and design as evidence, for its ultimate interpretations or relations to external or internal knowing, meaningful or meaningfree, of and in itself but an image we see and not necessarily the object of our imagination- as with mathematics a method of blind faith.  The abstract relations we imagine of the vacuum or of our imagining the emptiness surprises and call up in us ideas of reasoning beyond ourselves and world, hints to so desperately seek or forecast explanations and reasons we internally as coherently sound and grounded as the theory of everything we so stand with.

But the world is far richer, even at the state is may be in its development, evidently toward new things and a higher theory, and if of higher beings a touching to them in their reality, but if we pay attention so will to or direct our intentions so accept the variety in depth the stability of the familiar and our dreams in fancy have grounded in awareness of what is real so a tangible creative play to which we view and enter the cave or box, repeat the actions or once and only falls the curtain or new plays beyond encores.  For in the fleeting game and acts all outside it seems as immortal as it as remote and unreal as death.

There is much to be said for living in the depth of the mundane, perhaps in the luxury of time to grown if not lied  to then allowed our freedom grounding desires beyond the flatland sterile neutrality of our childlike but not childish ignorance.  But I do not demand of my fellow man that they even acknowledge my message for it is long known their nature is that we hold against those who enlighten us with some bit of wisdom their intrusions disturbing our own peaceful or isolated continuum.

When this happens collectively and we are brainwashed as to how to live and the world is it is even more difficult to experience and relate to the depth of reality of other souls, of our dramatic relationships in particular that they stand each moment over the abyss, the paradise disturbed, the devil cheating us by our own frailty or vanity then getting away. We will even if it takes the last of our strength move heaven and earth to bind and bury him.  Yet we are not vengeful welders of swords without mercy, in that we are as godlike in creativity as perhaps the Good some not foolishly imagine as life and its ideals.

You who crash into walls, who did not fall into them, may not find comfort there in myths of martyrdom for the walls are thin and one may pass thru them to face at least a higher realm of creative philosophy and science secrets by which it is hoped our understanding of our world does not remain unresolved and far from its portion of unities in our very personal paradoxes and contradictions of thought in which we half away find the state of minds sometimes of ourselves.

What we imagine in the natural ratios as if matter and energy in the dark, the unexplained persistent percent of what is right or left handed, or non-right as one sided, in our bilateral symmetry of spacious evolving stands on its own as evidence for a wider vision or theory as to what is the case as we find paradoxes of necessity in a nonnecessary reality.

We are complicate creatures on this side of consciousness and awareness with relatively coherent and intelligible models and minds much like the ionized and electromagnetic properties of an atom at home on its grounding of a unified view in its singularity.  But in a general unified theory we, as if in a more classical and first blush view of objectivity in experiment and science we find on the other side of its totality as if an image mirrored the nucleus of many flavors and color symmetry, so in the abstract yet accessible tangibly our minds have at least such a core of multiplicity true to its own reflections and inner laws, and what may yet extend or exist beyond it.

After the breakdown of family, of the nuclear family in our time, with the promises of even a wider concept of how we define the bonds between us, the next generation that fancies itself free and revolutionary against that obsolete seems to be in hopefully a transition period in which the next dissolution will be the inner bonds of what individual minds were once clearly something in and of itself that our pretensions of creativity and wisdom, or the worth of love as a higher value is a pointless model of living by which we may say from a philosophic stance such life is even less in the living than if it were but machines as the world abandons without reflection the substance of its future and the drive to explore, inquire, and invest in ourselves and our civilization.

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ScienceDaily com  today:   a relevant article

Quasifinite Algorithms in TGD, Quasic Space and Vuykian Function Form Theory

Quasifinite Algorithms in TGD, Quasic Space and Vuykian Function Form Theory

L. Edgar Otto Friday, 19 April, 2013

Where counting, that is computation, is a matter of a measure or method of complexity...Arithmetic at the foundations seems to give hints for more elementary concepts than current forms of analysis and mathematical physics. This may not remain the case as we evolve theories more explicit at the frontiers of natural inquiry.

The properties of prime numbers in power series seems that they can be independently found, thus overlooked, as well they can be found by what is felt less elegant appeal to systems of recursion. This is a fundamental stance by which thinking about frontier philosophic issues may help put the issue into a wider picture. Concretely, this is a question of the persistence and interpretation of the finite where it touches on issues of functions continuous and infinite or indefinite.

I regret where I have casually encountered certain people, usually with aspirations to solve number theory or logic problems as part of their university program possibilities, that I was not aware in standard terms enough to present a clearer case of my arguments for a system found in isolation.

How is it that we in our exploration of particles we find surprising entities so perhaps have to modify the view of such an entity as a definite object with different or resonating values if not the more general problem that can at least be solved by the complexity we encounter now in our modeling requiring very large numbers and the lower ones as well, that is quasi even in our newer or theories outside the mainstream...the generalization of this stance or concept that we may allow an "almost" or quasi-TOE or -SUSY? What does this tell us more than there is something more we do not know, that is contains our present system as in the idea of dark matter like models, while ignorant of the details of what that substance may be?

The general coherence of our visions, very much expanded by those who suggest the existence of higher spaces or more complicated ways in the idea of them as we enumerate the shapes or patterns of manifolds, seems to have a certain coherence over all such intelligible systems.

In the black hole of our creative minds we ask also where does the information go? Our thoughts have "hair" so to speak which like familiar fiber can be thought of as strings or braids, loops and filaments, ropes tied nowhere that we might imagine if we could reach that far holds up the moon.

It strikes me that Pitkanen with his paths and connections of wormholes beyond the discrete and defined "mouths", these being in a sense magnetic, assert a certain discrete view. Or with Leo Vuyk we have these defined paths string-like which also magnetic, beyond the concept of a point monopole, somehow a discrete isolated entity. We in fact have found that lightning hitting the ground does not spread out but can take its jagged pathways. It is hard to say how a black hole may consume the momentum beyond the last candidate left- some relation to our concepts as magnetism. But this is just a matter of idiom and standard terminology.

I find it hard to believe that some value, an economic idea, is concrete in the virtual world based on technology while it may transcend the belief in things like paper and gold or tulips for some abstract exchange and it not be surpassed by better algorithms that the trend in an economy will be stable and not arbitrary to which it leads to general decoherence and extinction of real value. Will the next so called non-linear stage, or some missed stage, of such an algorithm put into practice converge to a greater unified theory despite our evaporation possible in our wisdom despite us- or we can only hope in the existential moment to ride the waves as the pendulum swings for as long as it may last? Can this question of a unified theory or not be ultimately resolved concretely as science beyond the scope of metaphysics?

Evolution notoriously is short cited as much as its forms arise to test advantages anew in the longer run. The question of origins of life in a wider context, from within or outside a planet takes its stances in matters of gleaning sunlight or some place in the hierarchical environs of take, lose, give and find or trade. Transactions as the flux over time flows may be blind to what is an equivalence of the unknown and be observable space as if it an idea of counter negation- and this may not be ultimately symmetrical in physics or in our equations. How far does selfishness go up the efficient change, disease and endowment, epi-genomes and so called junk genes? How far might we in the dark modify or change the direction of our coherent endowment where after the drive to replicate fades we continue on in the expanding space and focused wisdom of our minds?

But as an objective, perhaps indifferent, suggestion for the technical directions of something, say computer chip design or the software for n-dimensional printing intelligible rules, I have little doubt that the spatial or topological drawings and so called illusions of symmetry may apply, the quasic grid itself interpreted brane-like with multiplicity open and grounded on the flatland of nil-potency also we may connect them more parallel in nature thus more classical in order to benefit by the symmetry power from such power series. If we are to benefit from inorganic quantum computation in general with all its debates and mystery, the quasic grid as an algorithm itself may contain and organize its expression.

Today I came across an elementary in an old book to which I cannot play the floppy disc with it by new machines, but insufficient proof of Fermat’s last theorem- and throughout it found the integers involved to which I have naively recognized in my studies. But if things are so obvious where are the number theorists apply such wisdom for the world in their theories?

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Quasi-Religious Theories of Everything

Quasi-Religious Theories of Everything 

L. Edgar Otto   April 19, 2013

This illustration was not intended in the modern once and only exhibition or experience as irreverence in art or for what we have to get thru in our day... a post-modern philosophy of science.  It raises the foundational questions like what is the relation between that hidden in the nothingness and its descent into materialism. 

In our meditations we wonder as best we can with earthly metaphors what from the viewpoint of life as a force and a quasifinite universe that persists more shallow questions such as "Did Adam have a belly button? But this is not to say our attempts, as if arising in perfection will be shallow in our knowing- not if we share something of the beyond that seems to be a condition or force of creativity we share with it.

The large capital Pi with a minus 1 subscript is the conventional symbol for the "null polytope".

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In yesterday's post I remind the viewer of the illustration that some things I do for the cross-eyed tiling illusion effects such as the flatland of the orientation of symmetries of the repeated little five fold color rectangles.  If one views them this way the result is our gazing into a three dimensional landscape in which it seems that we are hovering over series of mountain ranges of various sizes as far as the border and we can see.

I include a slightly better one to view here... and  a general procedure for the five fold and dimensional view in the quasic patterns recursively...beyond the parts of the drawing shown... but as there is complexity and apparent chaos on higher level but blurring scales of focus while the quasic symmetry principles are dimensionless and scaleless in values (quasi-continuous)  Dirac and Eddingtion were right Lubos! and despite how you see things string theory has the same concerns - we can describe loops and contours and local conservation as well as mirroring the regions in binary code as the lesser truth of fundamental theorems as in the calculus... thus we can have cloud like regions positive as observed that allow star creation with an overall variation in the ability to do this over time or with catastrophe, explosions as leaps or jumps...  Still, what resolves to jumping paths or wormholes persist as if in a hierarchy, dynamically over the linear and factored times (scale is primitively an issue of the square root of the gauge.)

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The Delta-4 Honeycomb

The Delta-4 Honeycomb

L. Edgar Otto 18 April, 2013

The quantum theory is said a measure of our ignorance. This is not necessarily the case, rather the quantum theory is the necessity for it as a measure of our ignorance.

We do not have to make the assumption that the cosmos in any narrow sense resembles our concept of a cave or room with expanding or impenetrable walls. Nor do we have to consider it as an indefinite, infinite expanse as we feel home with enumerable convex semi-finite and discrete intelligible patterns. The Euclidean delta-4 honeycomb of Coxeter is flat, a plane and as it seems M-theory or string theory in its pre-M forms is abstractly a brane which as a comprehensive and exclusive span of landscape geometry is after all like a convex polytope of four space in its own right. One that compliments or related to by several dynamic visions of cosmological models to the idea of total emptiness or disorder at some point like sole singularity.

So what may string theory be a measure of if it is the only game in town for such exploration of theory? Perhaps with less narrow vision we may see that while the emphasis on the various forms of strings are also only appear to be a complete theory- that is, we have missed or remain fundamentally ignorant of other forms we did not think to include in our systems of enumeration. The debate as to if such dark string or hidden string theories exist outside the developed current regime will not be resolved by the ideas of the standard theory, nor of an appeal to geometries that we in our powerful and logical awakening have erected the generalization as physics of the non-Euclidean.

We simply just should not treat the information that is foundational to the theory regardless of what shortcuts or reduction to some level of complexity physics makes sense as if it were only a machine like developing discrete algorithm- rather we should also consider a more general and what appears now a superior human faculty context of patterns to which an open mind could learn to understand provided there is no arbitrary restriction to say his cultural or genetic endowments. In this sense we should have a wider view than just brute force exploration for analysis and discovery by the building as well interpretations we find as we grow past unclear limits by our finer instruments of technology. Of course as a working principle it should be clear to everyone that the abandonment as well the honest self-respect for the possibilities of basic research is in the main counter-productive to our pretensions that we have higher human worth and values.

From my view the missing link in cosmology, I refer here to another pronouncement by Hawking, is not a conceptual and cognitive issue of dark phenomena like dark energy but the scope of quasicity as part of the understanding of simple geometry and arithmetic and a little freedom to decide from what is a jumbled picture of data how we see and arrange the patterns as we interact with the vision so to see it in our minds.

It is understandable that we make mistakes as we try to adapt and learn though sometimes the mistakes are instructive to show a clearer picture- one persons great synthetic achievement of adding unity to it all while standing on the beginnings of systems of theory which diverge as if contradictory is another persons collapsing of brain wave functions into self imposed isolation against the threat of ignorance of the unknown into regions of fragmentation that insists it walls and decorates its cave to which the outside is a myth to ones total theory. We do not always repeat or escape the dynamic action of such flow but the general form of our sex, sensitivity and sentience since the beginning of life forms and external extinctions finds the same general array of mental patterns as well in such centralization the breaking into imagined diseases in the need for or defense of areas of general specialization. There may be no necessary ideals that exist as a given as we explore and claim our niches.

Virtually or in the real world it may not matter nor even be a trade off as to privacy in monitoring or recorded vision as in the prevalent cameras personally and in public everywhere for in the end one can ask just who does the viewing. In any case something has to change if we are to have a safer and less violent society beginning with abstract physics- sheep huddle in one strand or they should scatter that there is safety in the dispersal of targeted individuals.

Yet even that from a philosophic view may not matter for the actions undertaken have no relevance or value to the better world to come or the ability to influence conditions now. Foresight and prediction are not a simple flux in time.

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White Board Walk and Quantum Gears

White Board Walk

L. Edgar Otto April 17 2013 02:55 PM

I see Lubos has a sensible post on our stances to dark matter and the discussion of recent data. I notice that as our various standard and independent theoreticians come together that various theories and speculations seem a clear question as to how well they stand, perhaps fit into some pattern of evolving. The spirit of this sort of accept all inputs before evaluation- the Liebnizean Inquirer, covers a wide range of human experience in that among a few logical systems.

This is not to say we know which among the proposals and interpretations are the case or even unique in some direction of the creative sense or simple succession of things in the world, nor that the views are equal or even contradictory. Much is gained as well as lost in the translation of symbols in our great conversation. I have more to read of things and new directions if my net connections hold and speed up- but in the complexity of our enterprise each seems to be seen dispassionately as a clear choice even if there is not a more general level of debate. But the theories running in the background seem to evoke at least hidden passions that drive the creative efforts.

I continue with some successive themes in art as in the above illustration which started out rather messy but contained some general truths that fell out of the artwork and of all things the fonts in a sort of anagram of a more general theory... that this the symbols beneath the sequence whiteboardwalk in one of the microsoft list of fonts corresponds to symbols that read as if some form of qm theory formalism. The rectangles show abstract relations or pairs of them and the arrows are symmetric or one directional as is my view of a unified case of a dynamic quasifinite universe. So from Planck bar with all the rectangular mirrors thru some grounding of a zero between the bracketing we arrive at a linear sense of distance “L”.

I never much cared for dry eraser boards but the photo idea by google to them is something I wanted with a chalk board long ago as chalk is too ephemeral. Who remembers the grease pencil boards and trying to strip the spiral paper from the tip to sharpen them? In any case the pen is my favorite way to write and the habit of getting the calligraphy right the first time- graphite erodes away over time. I wonder, as I do not like the chemical fumes to clean such boards if these may have contributed to some theories by those who stare into the unknown and carve or trace, make rubbings of the universe, a window, a Feynman diagram, a whiteboard?

I have other drawings to which it may evoke nonsectarian passions in that we understand at least on the superficial level of our time such symbols- but this does not fit easily into the theme as science, no translation that can be found among all possible in the search for some pattern in a code. We have yet to respect such coexistence on quasireligous levels or ideological ones and it is not clear we need to as a rule of nature by law or tooth and claw- yet one on one at least we do keep an ideal or give lip service to our higher claims of peace and tolerance-  it is not the money but the application of our intellect that is at stake here as a survival issue for basic research and funding of our science projects...that is the true false scarcity in the world's resources...

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The Touchstone Concept of the Quantum Gear:

I add a general thought from yesterday as I shut things down to go to sleep...

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As for the general name of this blogspot, chosen off the top of my head, the idea of creativity  I posted this today on facebook for a status:

Sometimes I think that all we have in the end as that loneliness of those who are creative- say a song, is just a private thing, a comfort, a whistling in the dark, that is all we can expect really- not that it has to be seen by others or saved in the world, the world and trying to keep art or shout that is is art does not really care- life is something like dying we do alone in the end- but when it can be shared it is an endless source of joy to which the universe itself joins in song with us.

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Limiting Vanishing Symmetry over a Few Low Dimensions

Limiting Vanishing Symmetry over a Few Low Dimensions

L. Edgar Otto April 17, 2013

Not much to say this first nice day before tomorrows snow! Shopping, trying to restart the smart phone and not sure I want to be caught so much between these virtual worlds of ongoing technology. But I do not fee it reflects generational differences- I mean if anything I see a lack of foresight in the upcoming generation who in their own level are caught between these brand wars. I went shopping today to get household things and some foods- I read the advanced baking project book to see what tools I will need- it is the same thing, how such a chart of things might help organize or ever more complicated world. I had a strange thought- the origin of life in the Nova series with great scenery from Australia and Lubos of yesterday on panspermia, hmmm Pangaea .. well if the longevity and coherence of our brains does depend on superior sperm compared to the apes- as well as our higher intelligence- newscientist some years back- and it is said the general lower sperm count was due to the heat build up from paper diapers- or who knows all the estrogen mimics in our water- well, you might make some conclusion yourself on that. Anyway, mirror universes have grounding in more than one gender stance in the higher symmetries. Hey, instead of typing by touch on a small screen I think I would do better with some form of Morse code (one of Americas claim to fame for mythic genius) but in the rhythm of it there seems trade offs between our sense of script and of discrete print- but it goes two ways...

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Oh, talked music projects with Marcus he needed some items from the Dollar store but when I saw the redhead I had seen in the book sale I went in too...at the checkout I asked her what she was studying in that section of the sale... I was a little shy to ask her then, I said, and I kept going back recalling a book that would be a good gift for friends (that is where I got the cook books,  Chinese, Mexican, Italian, and some for the vegetarians...)  she was into geography and very friendly.   Hey, I bought too much to carry on the bus so I called Marcus who lived near by,  after the phone locked up in the coffee shop wifi I was ready to give in and get cable for internet.  That and they said I will slow down-  not sure how I used that much bandwidth...

And I cleaned everything... I think with all the flooding the cloudy water may make us all a little sick- but who knows, it really does no good to guess about such things.

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The net is holding tonight.... so I saw a reply on Gibbs site and replied to Orwin :  I post this not to look negatively on the truth of his views as he suggests is the reality but to show some historical points of possible future departures   save of course the fundamental contour integral and that over history is not a clearly defined concept that is not necessarily the case when we understand the next physics.

L. Edgar Otto says:

April 17, 2013 at 7:49 am

I guess the thread is open… those are three excellent papers from that stance. We have to go a little further, past Godel, if logic is to be explained as to why it can make sense… excluded middles, abduction like in beam me up Scotty that verifies it, or should we accept mathematical deduction as a valid principle- or quantum logic or any logic never comes down to earth again despite it unlikely it does in an uncertain universe… levels maybe like that of the article in newscientist on the layering of crumpled paper not explained (or any fixed point theorems I imagine for shadow points may not be fixed in that simple way. In the zeta half thing of Riemann it is obvious as a matter of paper folding- that is brane folding a the zero quite legitimate sixth case of the Platonic solids… anyway, If you are talking to me I never did like the type theory and wonder why Godel used Principia as well as the assumption of still not understood primes for his proofs and so on… do we keep the metalanguage a separate subjective thing? There are other papers in this collection which if we take number theory at its world speaks otherwise. Why is quantum theory involving integers in the first place for values? Feymann, well I think we have gone beyond that as a two way deal for right angle descriptions… so we want what we vaguely call a quantum loop gravity as a sort of feed back? OK but cephalasation as a principle is out of vogue as science- why should the first creatures organize their nervous systems into brains in the first place? Quantum theory is only a small part of what seems to be becoming clear of new areas of physics way beyond our simple idea of groups and natural dimensions. I’ll tell you what is lame- Wittgenstein is lame, at first anyway until he came to realize we need representations within representations…

****   Since I logged back on for the link:

science daily has relevant articles on the junk genes (thought random and certainly the case for evolving rapidly can be made statistically)  that and they begin to see the link between organic and inorganic similarities in the computer as well as the nano organization codes as if DNA...
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Dream-Board Dream-Printing thru the Dream Brane

Dream-Board Dream-Printing thru the Dream Brane

L. Edgar Otto April 16, 2013

The unity of our experience as material and sentient creatures seems to be torn as to how we understand and feel aware of our own reflections. We deny that hidden to us as if a mirror of the visible galaxy or some mote of what we imagine an indivisible and solid speck of dust exists in depth more than an implied ground for explanations by a structured vacuum or emptiness. This point of philosophy or metaphysics goes deep into our intellectual history and the recorded arts to which we paint our cave walls since the dreamtime.

The wholeness of the architecture of our mind-body souls may as a necessity with ongoing and evolving variations, jumps or breaks like mutations in a quasifinite universe, has to be this way. Yet it grounds our ability to dream and to do science in the freedom of inquiry so as to design and affect our social and physical environment. It is not clear we can see beyond the limits of our imagination or into the dreams of each others directly or beyond that imagination that would exceed the Being of our reality as universe. We can all too easily, with insufficient depth and dark imagination conjure for all practical purposes dark elements that touch us, postulate hidden and broken levels of conscious sources as if motives of which we cannot disprove.

Nor do some people react well to the idea or stances of change in perception of the reality or myth that there are benevolent forces in the equal finality of the Good in this world. This grounding our reasons by faith including some of our languages and equations, our arts and symbols, and our logic as far as we can design or discover it.

As a metaphor then, we as the center or the universe of discourse and in the surprise of dialog, that justified over- or under-estimation of ourselves where life, especially the life of the mind and learning, is a tightrope between unknowns in a half infinite epic journey between comedy and tragedy. We are the actors as well the writers of the script and it remains an open question if we or some other force creates or rearranges the acts, the curtains, and the stage.

For the awakening mind our path may be a labyrinth or a maze with a center or not to which we can find by method or chance, wander aimless in loops, or escape... or we may fly above the plain as we plot the graphs on our dream boards with our Icarus wings of wax so to imagine some higher theory or being, a higher sun, reach what amounts to the touching a failed star rebuffed as if it a brick wall of some shape or higher cave at a horizon.

It is difficult to hold these great grand ideas in our heads, to say by some analogy thought accurate of all such analogies, the geometric and the sense of certainty in a closed measure counting system that we are semi- or hemi- gods made of one substance yet of mind and of flesh. We can picture, paint in our dreams analogies of concepts and imagination that if there is, Urantia like in that tradition based on ideas as a byproduct of our deeper fictions, that if there is a mirror galaxy each with its own god in a sort of tablecloth fractal hierarchy then that indeed despite our methods of skepticism and reductionism as science there would be as godlike as we feel the mortal scandal of being just a little more complex than machines. Here we fall into broken implications with a higher unified theory at least as physics.

The occasion of this writing comes as I recall the awakening ending of drawing on a dreambrane, painting on it and so recording as to post it in my awakened real and virtual world. It probably comes from that hypnotic state when closing ones eyes after seeing the white line pass by for hours on a highway or in my case all the white small marshmallows and toothpick structures of lattices in three space until those by exploration seems nearly exhausted that such visualization persists in our sleep. As if the solution, quantum like when the sparks of a machine is turned off so we imagine more intricate if not faster forms of computation- an idea which in the stance that quantum theory should remain mysterious certainly gives us a sense of mystery of our physical and familiar world.

Also my realization upon awakening I may have fallen into that bottleneck of false pronouncements so to declare that while we may find the patterns over our brains that vaguely seem to paint on the screen our dreams independent of their interpretation or certainty of choices in our seeing in the mind so resolving to unique but different possible patterns by new methods neuroscience and expensive magnetic machines applied, that we cannot record or probe the depth of our human dreams.

Yet, what about doing so within the dream itself. This certainly seems we can do and so record them for later use just as we try to do with the higher level languages of our logic programs such as paint in this computer age. Or we may just ride over such things as if we but enjoy the strangeness and novelty without deep thought, share applications. I suggest that if we can take such a screen from such a dream board and either as I am doing here report it in words and symbols, intellectual formalities, or literally connect or influence the physical pixels on a screen, or with still higher understanding of what is the nature of the flux of time and its apparent coincidences and collective synchronicity- that all this amounts to evidence of a more general theory of what we are and the world is and can be new this side of that unknown.

Vaguely, as I paint on my dreamboard it seems to contain mucous like levels and it starts with three dimensions in it flatland physics. I note that terms like dreamspace or dreamweaver are taken but in a general sense they may just as well apply. The problem then is what we accept or not as to how to or if it is possible to transfer directly this sort of meditation with awareness like experience to our awakened physical space in the semi-virtual world we feel at home with in our new age of such technology at the threshold of new wealth by machines- certainly the depth of this knowing will be of a freely chosen philosophy by which past actions of pointless violence will be vanished along with the essential rumors buried and forgotten of what in this generation seems its nightmares.

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