The Conceptual Errors of String Theory

The Conceptual Errors of String Theory


As I come on to blogspot I find two interesting posts:

http://motls.blogspot.com/2010/12/surviving-indian-supersymmetric-island.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LuboMotlsReferenceFrame+%28Lubos+Motl%27s+reference+frame%29

Lubos on a small region where the possible supersymmetry breakthrough may happen (this reminds me of Penrose actually who drew a cartoon of God finding a needle in the haystack of entropy in the creation of the world among all possible entropy's.) It is actually a rather cleaver idea which may hold promise if we can explore it.

Although, string theory (and by that I mean the Brane things also) is not a dead end as once thought but in the running again- after all thought the only game in town if one had to risk an area for their careers, after reading Lubos yesterday and his view of the interrelation and history, and disdain at any finite view, I thought I would consider the errors of differences as I see them from my theoretical assumptions.

My last post fancifully suggests an Otto-Motl statistics- and yet the other poster today has a most relevant discussion: http://matpitka.blogspot.com/2010/12/possible-explanation-of-shnoll-effect.html I am very much in agreement with Pitkanens suggestion as I have said as much myself in general and in posts in relation to numbers- but I did not directly relate it to atom decay rates although on posts on philosophychatforum and perhaps here early on I knew of the phenomenon- and from an intuitionist view the historical evolution of atoms suggested by Weyl and rejected by Einstein I find a very insightful idea if we have a wider view and not a biased faith in a rigid world that either exists or not as an eternal universe or a finite one that ends in either cold or fire. The theoreticians of the structures of space alone, while these philosophers should be describing and understanding the same thing, also seem to be making this error of superficial continuity and assertion that this is the only way reality, observable or not, can make a unified theory.

But theoretical thought has its hidden history too (even in a world that is aware of a jittery non-Newtonian time or perhaps time of a more superficial tachyonic nature) and we should not forget the first objections to the ideas of renormalization which does tend to form a consistent but narrow or even tribal view of physics as a philosophy or faith one has to defend in the name of all faiths. (by tachyon I mean what some think happens among string theorists when a particle interacts with a black hole like entity or is in a state of such interaction.

In this sense Pitkanen and many others who reject a rigid hierarchy (which in a sense will reject the superficial differences of surfaces and content in holographic theory) of so-called Planck regions or scales are part of the picture of what is real in physics also. What after all are branes but this duality between several string theories maybe in cycles- many sheets and membranes of them in space much akin to what I understand of Pitkanen's Topological theory of everything?

But these things are hard to see, especially with the terminology and formulas we want to convey the ideas to others- and if we are not aware of what are our hidden metaphysical assumptions if indeed we can see them. But what is the duality of a unifying theory of strings but Coxeter with his understanding of n-dimensional and rather discrete Euclidean geometry to which some try to apply to the real world of physics and to the areas where not such ideas seem to have intelligible applications?

At this point the perpendicularity, or other worldliness of ideas- such as super-symmetry, or dark matter, or a vision where any expanding world from some viewpoint seems really a static and averaged out unitary flat thing, are all ideas very easy to confuse and only abstractly define, such as dimension itself. That we modify old words to use in a new sense or coin new ones seems to me an equal burden on learning and memory and discovery of new and more comprehensive concepts. To suggest some relation between ideas of which we cannot verify with other ideas still not verified is certainly now a game of metaphysics of which it makes no sense to criticizes as physics or he who so adds to the discussions.

What does Osama have to do with the discussion Lubos? It is the Western tradition that really raises politics to a philosophy of politics. Why not show us a map where the population of many states in Europe may eventually become all Jewish states after all they were a tenth of the Roman population? Perhaps we should consider what the Islamic world chose, the Indian zero and not Aristotle's idea of the eternal unity of a finite but boundless God. The idea of something that can come in its simplicity from the nothingness.

After all, there is the Shroud of Turin whose image seems not to obey the inverse square law. Just maybe when we sent the spent uranium into the caves where he was hiding he zapped back with almost infinite imaginary mass a bit through the singularity of reverse time to find himself resurrected in another cave of sorts to walk the earth as the Messiah and drink wine. How else is it that we have not found him? :-)

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On a more serious note I found this most excellent periodic table with some of the old alchemy symbols:
http://periodic.lanl.gov/default.htm


http://periodic.lanl.gov/default.htm

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http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19821-flaming-drives-online-social-networks.html

The question is why- and also for negative political advertizing effectiveness.

Perhaps, there are other forms of the negative- beyond ideas of complex numbers or hypercomplex numbers (the positive roots of unity not equal to one) behind the sceenes of what logic we know- behind the scenes of our ideas of exponetiation that applies to our personal perception which may be only sometimes connected to other things beneath some more comprehensive view of a deeper logic of reality.

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Today's facebook status:
L. Edgar Otto Some imagined physics riding a ray of light, some imagined vibrating like an electron in a lattice- string theory imagines being a little bug crawling around one total and continuous world with compressed dimensions. Any one of the three separately viewed is an error of imagination.

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Contingency and Contiguity

Contingency and Contiguity (not to mention the recent philosophers by which I too have addressed linguistic issues and the great logical one of possible worlds in this age of discussion of the idea of multiverse. How have I chosen these universal thoughts looking from within at some frontier? Clearly the details of structure of the vacuum, as if the conclusion that is where our memory exists beyond the material and mental on the surface of things, is the grounding of deep metaphysics of what is real (short perhaps of some Heaven) that there can be an answer to some questions even the Buddah dismissed and this too is rational or intelligible to some point. Let us appeal also to the great point of Peirce- "by experience and experiment I mean the same thing." when it comes to the confusion or sorting out, especially in terms of modal logic, what is mental or physical and our stance on just how valuable is the metaphysics. Alas, for me the beginning of these writings in philosophychatforum emphasized Stereonometry as the next level or books of Aristotle (who still is with us in the world, with the Sunni world especially)- but such stereonometry is really the structures of the void.

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Earlier footnote,
December 6, 2010 :

I'm not ready to post next thoughts of which I had few last night- so I will temporary post something here- science daily links all relevant and on a day that such articles seem to me connected. My thoughts were mostly on the superiority of Metaphysics in our age despite its status among the physicists and social reductionists... The next post will be called Contingency and Contiguity. I may also include things toward the novel- a Mr. Peanut logo and how my father and mother met.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101205202510.htm

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101205202512.htm

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101205202508.htm

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101130131219.htm

http://www.newsdaily.com/stories/tre6b23mc-us-cern/

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You Were No Angel 4 :
Sleepy Home with Eve on Leave

Love that takes a long, long time and love at first sight. How often does the hero encounter a whif of young lass in the promise and fires of youth? Not that he thinks there is more than some vague attraction hidden under the desires that beckon him under her rag doll figure. She responds as well with a smile, a suspension of disbelief in the narrative stated at the beginning of a simple lyrical song that repeats a bit in the chorus, a spiritual thing potentially not based on lies, for no one has written the book of love when you get right down to thinking about it. He leaves her to her dreams and sense of belonging- and that is the best way to end a song, to leave something romantic and mysterious that our hearts in couriosity may figure out.

Who knows or even really cares what the future holds as Sleepy comes home on leave awhile from the Pacific war, still with a glorious head of hair and she looking like a red lipsticked actress in the flesh fallen out his own movie star, Monroe from the silver screen. He rests his rifle over his knees and feels he is a man with nobel purpose to save the world from its evils of conflict and scarcity. He thinks that she will do, maybe this is the trophie and reason he is fighting for, she may not be as far along in her grasp of the world, including its evils, in her philosophy- but this does not mean that in her own feminine ways she is not equal- even superior, just a differnce that drives the world in its outward appearences that as with the sunflowers or the arms of galaxies their spirials entwine, evolve, move with the possibilities of love awed looking skyward but mercifully private and the only island universe they know.

Sleepy was not amazed at seeing the earth from space- nor amazed more in the years to come at the caldron of starbirth from the Hubble photos. Yet, without it being said he and Eve knew deep down that in the swirl of their reels of their life movie and the soundtrack of their dreams that new stars were on the horizon. This as if a universal law that they did not need to look for simpler ones, nor question that their love was self-centered and self-causing, for in the accident of place and birth they knew love a gift, an uncaused cause.

It would be a long run before the evil hearted one intervened, and Eugene shed no tears for her even that she had licked the wounds of his father sleepy when their family died in his arms- for those who work and live a lie are the ones who wind up alone and bedridden in the end with their body failing and sick of sugar, just as their hearts failed in its parts and treatment of people- and Eugene did not know of such a one now part of some past states of his life who in her pain- she who hates her womb so much it bled both night and day- no one was even there to pull her plug.

We cannot know how things may turn out. How a chance encounter in the dark becomes a foundation of a deeper love and trust between lovers. The grass greener and yet what monsters may await us on the other side of the mountains as we hold hands thru the maze and tunnels of love. Nothing says there is perfection, that all will be smooth and easy- but do not doubt that passion cannot be a permament revolution provided our spirit tries, looks deeply into the soul of another even in the dim light of nothingness and lowered expectations, settling for less we imagine- for someone whom if we were not wounded in love would never look at in a thousand years nor give the time of day. All is fair in love and war they say- they who are alarmists to make shallow drama of the lie. Eugene thought he should have listened when Abagail said "Go away, I am not good enough for you." But that was another life, and in that life he prayed and thought he had the answer and the prophesy of all the stars to come to them. Love itself is that worthy of such a prayer and when the new lady smiled at him in the grocery store he was too battle scared to think of her as but a rag doll that knew no better- nor would he insist on the dancing and unrequited neighbor of her dreams that they meet- for she knew herself better than he, and not all people were worthy yet of prayers to themself if in their core they were wise enough and strong enough and true enough to be made of and survive long by love.

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Note on the post after this from Lubos and the degrees of freedom:

Not that people show so much stupidity, Lubos. But that our hearts are rather prone to a high degree of self deception which can seem reasonably intelligent. With what can you guarentee the necessity of some some necessary concept? Are you so sure we can imagine the infinite as not a unity or even a zero of degrees of freedom? Why are we limited to the natural base ln- could there not be a better and evolving physics? The issue is not so much about evolving consecutive things- nor is it about continuous things only- it is the contingency of things which between those is the contiguity of things- a whole new type of degrees of freedom. Why in your ideas of what fields mean over history is there in a sense the finite (and meaning in the binary bases as well) and why do people seem to see such things?

Let us hope the great promise with more freedom in the Czech republic finds new degrees of wisdom beyond the limitations of our past.

From the sight http://materialintangible.blogspot.com/2010/12/entangled-gamesthe-codex-of-death-by.html

I take this quote in regards to how we have leeway to view digital bases:

"The brain is a computing machine connected with a spirit. Consciousness is connected with one unity. A machine is composed of parts. The active intellect works on the passive intellect which somehow shadows what the former is doing and helps us as a medium. I don’t think the brain came in the Darwinian manner. In fact, it is disprovable. Simple mechanism can’t yield the brain. I think the basic elements of the universe are simple. Life force is a primitive element of the universe and it obeys certain laws of action. These laws are not simple, and they are not mechanical. "
-Godel, Originator of The Uncertainty Principle [I assume Godel making commentary on it]

In this article: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101205202510.htm why did they have to say this- I would not have needed to:

"It's important to emphasize that, even though this sounds a bit like astrology, it is not: it's seasonal biology!" McMahon added

I notice on philosophychatforum that the young "scientist" is no longer moderator of metaphysics (merged with epistimology!) but those who will not allow some sort of rational ideas are not the friends of metaphysics either- we are stupid not to at least realize this in ourself. Or maybe we think our rationalism has no underlying basis of some assumed biased philosophic agenda. Liebniz had a wider view of the digital and descrete, of language, of metaphysics, and I will not assume he was stupid to have these concerns- or he thought we just a computation of some sorts -Kepler, Einstein, Godel... perhaps one day even in their work we see as solid, they too will be called mystics. What was thought one philosophy of freedom was the opposite really- and one philosophy of method or science only useful like religion where it solves todays politics or philosophic concerns. There is more than one galaxy even when we do not need it to describle the laws of physics and the entropy, my young Einstein.


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Did the LHC Rediscover Proto-atoms ?

Did the LHC Rediscover Proto-atoms ?

I took a look again at the periodic table (and a few variations for it on line) with the idea in mind to make a better way to recall it as if an English poem or sonnet. But I ran into difficulties as to just what these periods were to represent when we really get up into the bigger picture of atomic structure. I certainly would not want to commit to memory, as these persist, a less than adequate or efficient form of the table which although useful may not efficiently grow. I also wanted to include other aspects or properties in the same associations.

But in the search for a better way to list the elements I found some rather interesting numbers- almost too many not to suggest a persuasive numerological coincidence. Perhaps our designation are arbitrary anyway although a universal standard set - but can we replace them like at the end of the table with their number-ium? The historical poetry may be useful for chemists and certainly the relation between the atoms of a species, eka-this or that for biology. But in a world where we are not certain as to the grounding of some rather simple things like the geometry of the whole as a structure and mechanism, is this our best of what seems to me to be an outdated theory. Not a Smoo theory where the cartoon creature supplies the universe with endless milk and eggs and only too readily will jump into the frying pan, but a Smooth eeriness still and maybe forever in the realm of magic.

In general the exchange of mediator particles can be mapped to the duality in oscillation of some fundamental sphereical top solids such as the cube and octahedron. I have thought, thinking as well the atomic theory superior to those of a spatious idealism where once in time the characters of our story take on a life of their own including perhaps the concrete fact of the memory of others, that the dual for the 120 cell in four space, the 600, has to do with the nucleus of an atom and whatever the pairings are for that set of magic numbers (can anyone tell me if it is finally understood why those are the numbers of the electron shells- called magic numbers as a traditional term like imaginary for that still unknown- that in high school books said no one knew the reason for them?

But with this different and philosophical approach of alternative possibilities I have the idea that such a dualism needs not be concentrated in some center of things, at least the abstract grounding geometry. Theories then are not to drive our empirical researches, the bias toward quantum theory for example, but should, as science be driven by such experiments to the next higher or deeper shell levels of matter and of awareness. Granted, this may be a physical truth only for systems of the general biology including patterns of thought that mimic emergence and unity.

The magic numbers were 2 8 18 32 50 ... from the number theory formula and these break down into 2, 2 6, 2 6 10, 2 6 10 14 - 2 6 10 14, 2 6 10, 2 6, 2. Which add up to 120. But I rather see it as K L M N and a mirror of those shells rather than saying there are KLMNOPQR as progressively differnt shells (but we may call them OPQR).

We can realize half of these numbers as the odds 1 3 5 7 (9) ... or we can double or quadruple them- and between all the lines if set out in a pattern find many interesting numbers- a lot of these are the binary powers and the rigid rotation groups. 120 moreover is 5! and if we imagine we can only put these in a table as a triangular matrix, 120 being triangular, the symmetry of the structure is revovered if we imagine it as a flat triangle of one side (monohedron?) and the first two numbers can be mapped two ways on the three corners- or 6. 6x 120 is 120 + 600 = 6!
So the balanced symmetry of the structure only appears so in higher abstract space.

I also note that we can map some of the things in terms of my quasic grid (but due to the nature of numbers themselves we have to consider what seems left out of say 128 or 2 x 64 quasically centered squares. Rather we can have 2 x 60, but this is part of the symmetry of these early integers. We could make a dice of 15 sets of the elements for example and paste them on the faces of an octahedron- but what would this tell us of the chemical properties of the elements we so memorize? We can also count as zero one of the points of a hypercube and have 8 of them. But do we not think of such numbers, for example the 12 x 5 of it in the Dirac algebra? Do we not feel a hidden symmetry in the 60 flat recursive shapes for the pentacubes or maybe that space filled by the ones that fill three and four dimensions?

Yet, to name these 120 items seems on one had quite a simple undertaking- but on the other hand too many items to handle. I am amazed to think my perceptions of space, as in for example that we may see a little ways beyond the Big Bang in the WMAP and indeed find properties hinting of other universes at the origin - as amazed to think that from some view the nuclelus and the electron shell configuration is an ideal but predictible structure within the same diffuse dimension. How else would be explain not only the attraction as if at a distance of charged particles and even more the mysterious effects between them as if there were not direct physical connection?

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I looked around a bit- found this most interesting set of periodic tables- but I really did think the matter was closed on these "magic numbers" for the electron configuration and for the nucleus. Then again Pauling's idea here of the kernels is sort of a centered view of things...

http://www.periodic-table.net/

and this interesting one:
http://home.earthlink.net/~kdthrge/

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The proto-atom then more like the "plum pudding" model only there is a certain illusion or reach circularity (as in Pauling's sphereons). I suppose before this the solid one substance perfect and indivisible model of an atom with or without some idea of space between them- so the question seems to be what would a more unified model of the atom be (or for that matter any other sort of creative and quasi-finite "particle")?

Perhaps it is time that we look a little deeper into the actually postulated higher or deeper nuclei in nuclei- that is to say, what I roughly describe as higher than our observed dimensional matter. Perhaps that will be on a level or scale that the desired standard table of the atom (electron and nuclear shell structures) will fall out of our synthetic and analytic concepts and equations and be more easily seen. Does it not strike anyone the obvious, that chemicals and atoms themselves have a certain finite structure in their group relations that begs for us to look at this part of geometry and group theory and not just some idea of infinite groups- at least in the universe as experienced unto the remote effects of its quasi-finitude?
Then, again, the picture could prove rather simple enough that we stumble on it by shear trial and error. So the question for the cosmic background and for the heart of atoms (including a wider concept of the "inside" of creative objects like black holes) is how far can we really see into the absolute? Can the quasic theory by itself describe these structures? Can we see beyond the absolute atom which like the universe from some abstract viewpoint may be said to evolve?

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The Great Speculation (Otto-Motl Stastics)

The Great Speculation (Otto-Motl Stastics)


Facebook Status:
L. Edgar Otto In this era of uncertainty in the search for a Theory of Everything, all of us are writers of philosophical novels arranging things advocating some point of view, as each of is in the living works a great speculation.

[I may include excerpts from today's linguistic dialog with Sultan_Ratrout due to discussions synchronously before posting today's blogspot.]

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YWNA - a second scene offering for the novel:

Eugene looked outside the big picture window of George, his grandma, and saw for the first time silver dollar sized flakes of snow.

George's apartment was Eugene's whole world, and was as warm and inviting as a womb where his brother and sister, Bungle and Cagey, and all the Crickmans came together at dinner and crack the crab legs and picked the bones carefully from the Mullets. After all, these were simple fisher-folk who took their boats out into the Hampton Roads in a time of pure rain and teeming life of the Tidewaters.

"I want to go out and get one, Grand."

"Oh, that is why you are trying to put on your jacket. Well, alright, but take it off until I put mine on or you will not feel the goodness of it when we go out."

When Eugene went out into the wonderland of soft snow he realized that he was very cold and that was not a pleasant place to be. He was surprised at this- yet held his ground, did not complain for he wanted to see the snowflakes up close. But when one finally fell into his hand and for some brief seconds he saw its crystal form and feathers- he was sad that it melted so fast- and he did not like that it left his hand cold.

"Let's go back in, Grandma."

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The Great Speculation

*1om In the abstract design of space we can imagine quasi-discrete "proto-atoms" or "proto-particles" on which the concrete material may arrange in the skeleton of some sort of physical topology and ergonomic ordering.

*2om The complex of this electron (charge) configuration as a context I fancifully call a SONNET with the title and last two logical lines opaque and quasi-opaque for purposes of counting.

*3om What it counts is the wide change in degrees of freedom over remote ranges of averaged out functions and histories- and the underlying numbers that make the almost integer explanations for the relevant dimensionless constant.

*4om A quasi-physical and thus relatively and symmetrically quasi-conserved general region of space over spacetime and vacua is a skewed bell curve that corresponds (by virtue of quasication of real and abstract motions) to an analysis of Penrose's concentric rings on the WMAP analyzed from the statistical view of Lubos Motl. (BTW I do not mean to put words in his mouth- it is just that I want an analogy to Bose-Einstein for example and usually I name ideas after others and rarely myself, but as this is informal for now I offer the name of the statistics as a paradox.)

*5om Even in a static view the universe moves in an asymmetrical direction (as the data on the bell curve shows regardless of what we interpret is beyond the field or not) Things in a sense do evolve and progress, at least in our era. It does so intrinsically and ultimately, thermodynamically as if decoherence where things have evolved to some state. There are regions where the states exceed balances especially in remote regions not necessarily reached by the statistical theory.

*6om Black Hole and other quasic objects may evaporate in steps and general tunneling.

*7om A concrete word or event in isolation is like a chess piece (words or sentences are perfect fluids by this standard linguistic and quasic analogy, and that also is for groupings and ordering of sentences.) From this view only the abstract structure and relavancy between more than one piece or material particle is the meaning of mass or words. One complete unit in isolation as a universe may not disclose these higher principles of physics, at least directly. But globally these may be inferred in many ways- just as we infer the reality of higher dimensions.

*8om Grounding design is not just fractal or holographic in topological differences and similitude- but also the quasi-fractal quasi-holographic Otto-Motl statistical and quasic space organization.

*9om Such statistics (really all such of innate controversy as to a measure as if grounded on uncertainty or a higher sense of uncertainty in remote chaos for want of a better term) implies a restrained (jet quenching?) mechanism and within a certain range of measurable signal relativity and Cartesean extension of proto-particles over flatland (in observable degrees of actions at a distance) the effect is also as if a teleological description of the data.

Further Speculation on the Number of Natural Elements:

I boldly speculate here that if there can be 121 elements that perhaps between two of the idea abstract possible atoms we can have a sort of connective ones that may indeed extend the periodic table a little further. What I expect then, which suggests a general mechanism to explain or compare ideas of the fermions and leptons and fusion and fission and so on in those theories- that there may be as many as 18 new elements that are, like the neutrinos more or less, self dual. The formalism in a sense 3+1 here, is like the theory of gluons (exogluons). Thus with these shadow elements (see Ulla on this concept also for her sense of perpendicularity as a model) Z= 120 but with the *Z=18 we have 138 atoms- and so we hover around the isolate uranoid (Eddington) of 136 and yes +1 for 137 and then +1 for 138 of which in a given era of progress and opaque evolution there is a dimensionless averged value somewhere. (we also with these extra dimension have to count situations where the 8 time-like dimensions add to make the values of 128 in the subatomic physics.)

But I am not that clear on if two such 120 abstract structures are superimposed that we can actually contain say more nucleons- in any case I do not see, as a matter of physical space as we know it, the normal and indefinite extension to shells of 18 or more shells of particles as suggested by Seaborg with exotic chemistry.

In a sense we are suggesting that we can see so far into actual structures as if a negative plasma or fluid near the grounding as if a state of matter proto topology and statistically obtained.

The resolution of the mechanism and physics here is also a matter of the 100 year old discussion as to the relation of logic and mathematics. Lubos concerns himself with consistency (see Russel and Godel and matters of recursion and proofs)as I the term intelligibility. Let us not forget that Irrationalism depends on its proof of the otherworldly and its independence on rationally intelligible thought. But what may vanish into otherworldly certainly can vanish regardless of an other world- in the hear and now, and that is a matter of a dimensionless thermodynamics and measurable statistics.

Physics then, as we appeal to a theory of everything, perhaps a science fiction or a philosophical fiction- wants to determine its speculations and truth- hopefully not a futile philosophy of science. It is this understanding of human reasoning and insight into the philosophic bias in human nature and inheritance, language and culture, that we can and should question anthropocentric caused issues such as global warming as Lubos does.

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[chat with Sultan_Ratrout just before posting:

Today
[Sultan Ratrout]
10:17am
The liar's cassette 4/12/2010

Open: - The target lie file is about to uttered.
Play: - A representative sample of tons of lies is to be uttered.
Pause: - The liar will pause his lying process. Probably he has lied too much, but will resume it to make sure of something.
Stop: - The liar will stop lying once he is discovered or when listeners tell him to stop.
Previous: - The liar goes back to repeat the lie once he finds his listeners poor.
Next: - The liar goes forward to provide a new lie once the previous lie has been believed.
:):)
[You]
10:18am
Interesting. Is this the translation or new stuff this morning?
[Sultan Ratrout]
10:19am
hhhh no translation direclty wirtten in english :):)
iam sure u r upset because many of the funny stuff isnt in english :):)
[You]
10:19am
on the contrary... but I could not find that word fatwah in the dictionary you used yesterday
[Sultan Ratrout]
10:20am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatw%C4%81
[You]
10:20am
so I discover that in yahoo mail going way back to the philosophy chat on dalnet that all the pictures show up- a new feature.
[Sultan Ratrout]
10:20am
http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatwa
:):)
[You]
10:21am
So, I find old ones of people I did not know I had a copy. And speaking of lies, I found a very ugly sex one I did not know what it was there or I opened sent or something.
[Sultan Ratrout]
10:21am
hh
[You]
10:21am
So, evenually some lies become transparent (send as a message)
Your chat message wasn't sent because Sultan is offline.
As the technology advances it is harder not to have an open world of information
10:22amSultan is online.
[Sultan Ratrout]
10:22am
yeah
Rewind:- The liar goes back to the beginning of the lie to fool the same people or probably new ones.
[You]
10:25am
a very nice word- maybe in the details as technology progresses there are new ways to see what is binding or not legally. But we have to see the background on why a certain item is in the download- perhaps I saved it as evidence for kicking some party from the channel. But if we cannot legally download some things- is there not place beyond the memoranda becoming truth that we can have a privacy of dreams?
[Sultan Ratrout]
10:25am
godo question
[You]
10:26am
... this liar thing is at the heart of my issues today with how we apply logic and philosophy to our current debates of cosmology- you are suggesting a sort of loop or recursion in the implementation of lies
[Sultan Ratrout]
10:26am
yeah :):)
Eject: - The liar will get a punch on the face for the lie he mentioned.
hhhhhhhhhhhh
[You]
10:28am
Still, who is making the judgement?
[Sultan Ratrout]
10:28am
thats a fundamental question
ones who knows the truth
:):)
[You]
10:28am
does God punishing in the here as well the hearafter?
[Sultan Ratrout]
10:28am
sobhan allah my funny stuff on lying helped you then :):)
yeah
[You]
10:28am
Irrationalism tries to prove with the rational, but can the transcendent world be judged by mere mortals?
It does help but I should finish my thought and post them before I discuss them
on top of that this is a very important internet linguistic issue and good research for you to undertake
[Sultan Ratrout]
10:30am
yeah :):)
[You]
10:31am
we cannot determine for example if your set of notions on the lie, is technically judged as a lie itself- or proven perhaps a truth- but it does seem to read consistently. That recursive question is high logic to which I see the depths of your thinking and analysis.
[Sultan Ratrout]
10:33am
thansk alot )
[You]
10:35am
I did mean it objectively, it reflects on me that I can see thru the language and translate or judge the depth of your presented enquiry- so that is reassuring. I also think that it is a good thing you accre so many responses as comments as a measure of who thinks about your words.
And I did mean it as a positive comment
[Sultan Ratrout]
10:35am
:):)
I like to write something deep :):)
even all the jokes posted to the status are ethically oriented :):)
[You]
10:36am
There is so much on the foggy frontiers and so hard to see what is true or a lie or maybe some world in between.
So, as in my status, you are also writing a philosophical novel :-):-)
[Sultan Ratrout]
10:37am
excellent status
[You]
10:38am
...in any case my post today will be a very wide stretch and definitely speculatiive
well, it may be one that gets no response- some of them from the young girl is there because she enjoys trying to figure out what the heck I said :-):-)

hhhhhhhhhhh
:):)
[You]
10:40am
Still, it is good to be recognized as deep and natural, even if one other obscure soul in the great overpowering sea of the internet.
[Sultan Ratrout]
10:39am
hhhhhhhhhhh
:):)
[You]
10:40am
Still, it is good to be recognized as deep and natural, even if one other obscure soul in the great overpowering sea of the internet.
[Sultan Ratrout]
10:40am
yeah
soemtimes we cant simply our thoughts
hhh we express them as deep
[You]
10:41am
But we stand naked- when we submit the truth of our ideas to others and the fact that I did not get the depth right away of someones theory who were much wiser than I.
[Sultan Ratrout]
10:41am
:):)
[You]
10:42am
Well, part of it is one's attitude. Sometimes we do things great and not know how nor why we do it or even that we do it.
[Sultan Ratrout]
10:43am
onwhat basis can u tell x is a liar or not?
a difficult question
[You]
10:43am
(I am going to call the post Otto-Motl Statistics also to make this point- but I am not trying to put words into the kids mouth.
[Sultan Ratrout]
10:43am
:):)
[You]
10:44am
That is name something after myself and him hehe a pun on Bose-Einstein statistics, and show how he proved the very thing that is different in how I prove things.
So is your question on lies a logical question?
it is not clear that we have to exclude the middle-
[Sultan Ratrout]
10:44am
we need to address this question be it logical or not
brb [lz
[You]
10:46am
But I did tie this into the linguistic insight- a lot depends on Bloomfield-sapihir or Chomsky's view of well the logical space and truth of classes or set of words. You are doing frontier linguistics indeed.
Russel should not have concluded that his program of logicism was wrong, too soon.
so for us now for a hundred years we have had to face this general question of what is math and logic and how they relate.
the truth of some idea if we can measure it may depend on how we resolve this
Consistency and Intelligibility- yet how to keep the emotional components and truth in tact that here or hereafter our souls do not vanish

... I also wonder that there may be a change of some sort in our collective notions across the world- that overwhelming spreading of information and culture may actually affect the development of our childrens brains (and I mean this in a mysterious way also- but that is beyond the scope of todays post)


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Links explored that seem relevant after posting today:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101124085945.htm
What sort of interesting concepts are involved here as if molecules have such connections as if in the abstract we consider two superimposed atoms as molecules- and in the analogy to love why would we not think in cold reductionist terms that love between two or one to an other is not the same vector description?

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/12/101201095822.htm
From Hoyle's view, considering the exchanges of photons, the time it takes from the core of the sun seems equal to the light now reaching us from the so-called big bang. So from this notion of equivalent scales over an interval of time could we not be asking the same question of these mechanisms for the sun and for the cosmos? It may be our conception of the stellar engine is a little more sophisticated than we believe just as once we thought it a chemical fire of sorts.

and an interesting one more new agey (the possible non-issue of what is mind or matter, artificial or not, and so on-stating among other things that consciousness does not exist)perhaps to analyze its content and what it means we imagine such things or think they new things: How in particular can we decide if the last statement in the section above as to our collective notions contains shared entertainment or some evidence for a needed explanation for collective effects and beliefs, this from a google ad on science daily:

http://www.ecsys.org/?gclid=CJjXh7Ku06UCFQS7KgodbCGJmA

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I would also like to comment on this excerpt from Matti Pitakin:


http://tgd.wippiespace.com/public_html/pdfpool/newphys.pdf


7.2 Mersenne primes and Gaussian Mersennes are special
7.2.1 Mersenne primes
One can also consider the milder requirement that the exponent = 2 L0 represents trivial scaling
represented by unit in good approximation for some p-adic topology. Not surprisingly, this is the
case for L0 = mpk since by Fermat's theorem ap mod p = 1 for any integer a, in particular a = 2.
This is also the case for L0 = mk such that 2k mod p = 1 for p prime. This occurs if 2k �� 1 is
Mersenne prime: in this case one has 2L0 = 1 modulo p so that the sizes of the fractal sub-algebras
are exponentially larger than the sizes of L0 / pn algebras. Note that all scalings aL0 are near to
7.2 Mersenne primes and Gaussian Mersennes are special 71
unity for L0 = pn whereas now only a = 2 gives scalings near unity for Mersenne primes. Perhaps
this extended fractality provides the fundamental explanation for the special importance of Mersenne
primes.
In this case integrated scalings 2L0 leave the states almost invariant so that even a stronger form
of the breaking of the exact conformal invariance would be in question in the super-symplectic case.
The representation would be de ned by the generators for which conformal weights are odd multiples
of n (Mn = 2n �� 1) and L��kn, k > 0 would generate zero norm states only in order O(1=Mn).
Especially interesting is the hierarchy of primes de ned by the so called Combinatorial Hierarchy
resulting from TGD based model for abstraction process. The primes are given by 2; 3; 7 = 23��1; 127 =
27 �� 1; 2127 �� 1,..: L0 = n 127 would correspond to M127-adicity crucial for the memetic code.
7.2.2 Gaussian Mersennes are also special
If one allows also Gaussian primes then the notion of Mersenne prime generalizes: Gaussian Mersennes
are of form (1 i)n��1. In this case one could replace the scaling operations by scaling combined with
a twist of =4 around some symmetry axis: 1 + i =
p
2exp(i =4) and generalized p-adic fractality
would mean that for certain values of n the exponentiated operation consisting of n basic operations
would be very near to unity. [and so on...]

For one thing I am in close agreement having reached the spirit of this independently as to the importance first of all of Fermat and ultimately number theory (including but going a little beyond topology and gaussian grossman etc primes). In viewing this writing from the beginning discussing for example older theories of the continents and growing radius of the earth as a possibility (as a notion if not a concrete concept- I mean I imagined not such a smooth geometry but one where even the elements in a sense could evolve in real time on the earth)I find his writings a long evolution of deep thought with ideas hard to say stand out in relation to some sort of progressive evolving time line- but in any case it is clear the ideas have grown complexly even if on some level some may not be ready to experience them. Certainly I feel it has outgrown some of the more familiar terminology like the applications to biology as if some sort of just quantum effects. But this limit of our expansion of notions is not an end to great speculation but a beginning for a sounder foundation, foreseen by such physicist-philosophers which record our personal and collective possibilities of thought and experiment. You will note also some of these ideas on number theory on which I agree (but perhaps involve more general Fermat ideas of numbers) are recent realizations Pittiken had long ago- or in the general idea of Fermat's study of recondite properties of numbers and the last theorem and so on- as if this mathematician be dared called any sort of amateur- I saw this at least in 1974. But we have shared knowledge in some senses.

Still, how can anyone fail to see that in the scheme of things- in our analogies of the whole of spacetime to the seas of the earth our first home- that these issues of great speculation are close to the mainstream and grow nearer to the hoped for reasonable certainty of a theory of everything?

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I came back briefly, bored in the late afternoon, walking to the coffee shop in the first sticking snow. I posted another facebook status which was one of the themes for the novel I thought of last night- the lotuses of the sea of memory, perhaps to gather them in my direction as all want to do as they ponder their life and wonder how to shield children from the fact of their mortality without stifling them. The other great theme is as I said a time of idols- I also imagined parts of a song of which the status quotes part of a line- pressed flowers, lost pages, lost hours. But somehow this tells us something deep about our private and shared experiences.

From Chat with Sebastian:

OK, I put up a cartoon for now- even though the state can be abusive to children too.
[Sebastian Otto]
7:11pm
haha whats a shmoo
[You]
7:11pm
It was from an old Little Abner panel in the 50's
The were good to eat in the dogpatch, I liked the simplicity of one
Dont know why I thought of it
[Sebastian Otto]
7:11pm
very retro
you remember sonic the hedgehog right?
[You]
7:12pm
I found some old pics in my mail. and it had those doll things someone made for justin sarah ivory and Me with hat. and Ingaborg I think one of them is doug or arian, not sure
Of course! I remember him. Heck we may still have some broken parts of one somewhere. One thing we did was get you guys a lot of toys
[Sebastian Otto]
7:14pm
yeah you did
[You]
7:15pm
...so that short story a couple more of paragraphs was me (Eugene) in Norfolk around 4 or 5 and George (from Gorgeous George the famous wrestler) was my grandma
Eugene and the snowflakes in my notes
[Sebastian Otto]
7:16pm
ah
[You]
7:16pm
My brother Robert Edward, Bob, we called Bungle from a pop son... Bingle Bangle Bungle we dont want to leave the jungle no no nono no no.
And cagey (later flange) because she was always in the crib

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L. Edgar Otto facebook :I will try to capture those people...like trying to find winter flakes of snow... like not seeing the beauty at the time but having pressed flowers in lost pages and lost hours- yet there was beauty at the time. Such is love- and even our lost books of Love.

Yet, from some viewpoint the experience, for ill or good, achieves a certain sense of permanence and reality that seems to transcend time. Again, snow is a cold crystalline and almost Gothic thing in its material starkness- and yet a source of joy. We are cradled sometimes in memory, sometimes forgetfulness, as if we are children who play in the snow, a day off of school, and for a generation it seems they expect Christmas to come sooner. But what is the need for gifts that without them and the sacrifice for them if possible but another source of sorrow? Children enjoy the same story over and over again, it take long before the Thanksgiving and Christmas dinner blurs as one worn out memory- or after working in a convenience store and hearing the hundredth copy of Little Drummer Boy one secretly wants the Little Match Girl to freeze! Humbug until the ghosts of Christmas, too late for this world for Scrooge, perhaps- brings us the truth if not promise of the Christmas spirit. But did I not love you a thousand times and never grew tired of you?

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Creole PeSla (Creative Linguistics)

Creole PeSla (Creative Linguistics or Beach'
pe'Sla)

I had some thoughts for scenes or themes for the novel last night but I wrote nothing down- I guess things are at a slower pace. But I did have two ideas for YWNA, the novel. 1.) Eugene on the cold streets passes by a china statue of a young girl in the window, she on a swing, her dress and smile inviting, taking him out from his lonely isolation in the solitaire of cold night. Her smile warms him up. Sometimes, in the uncanny valley of the dead zone of once warm and living things we need the crutch of an idol. 2) Each of us is a lotus flower (see the accompanying illustration) but as our styles of culture and languages evolve some are lost although from one generation to another we share and pass on the names we bear. It is a daunting task searching the records in the forest lawns when they are lost or forgotten data, turned for lack of space into cremation really for all it matters. One can quickly loose their uniqueness and the colors fade from the flowers into the distance. This is not just a property of social organization and collective identity but it at the core of the meaning and information of language itself- who for some who worship gods and idols, they imagine they speak or hear the language of of God.


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Lubos had an interesting post yesterday on memorization aids for recalling the whole periodic table which I found interesting as my thoughts are turned more toward linguistics. In fact Sultan, an English teacher, and I had a very formal and serious discussion on what are the errors of English and how it can better be taught.

Lubos,


From the standpoint of my interest in poetry and linguistics I find this a challenging post. Thank you. I will work on this. The idea of translations between traditions and my general question as to what is the nature of language (Bloomfield or Chomsky ?)


I have used some memory devices like this for combination's of color cubes and the terms stick with me, but I wonder if a more direct familiarity would be better.


The two theories of how we understand language strikes me as the same issue as how we see and understand, and think about, issues of cosmology today we have discussed. The data such as the concentric rings of Penrose may be colored by our grounding of language. What unit of speech we can break up or not in for example the order of words and ideas.


If Chomsky is right we have universal underlying theories to which our experience and education and native language, even our genetics modifies the reference frame of what we encounter and observe when we choose between concepts or the various styles of language.


I found a recent article (sorry I did not save the link as I did not see it as a breakthrough idea) which claimed that the nature of non-locality was intimately tied or explained by quantum uncertainty. If you encounter this idea I would appreciate your commentary on it. I am not so sure we can rely so much on statistical methods- but it is a mistake to discount them in a world where such decisions and even the size of things like cue balls too pool balls affect the game.


Perhaps the table could be in a sonnet of sorts since in four space matter we can expect 120 elements. Of course a grammar between them would be useful as these are rather like an alphabet for material study.


The PeSla

NOTE: Here is the article I found again which I did not include in the above comment.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101118141541.htm

What analogy would this be for a familiar scale concept of substance as if it related to the LHC concept of "jet quenching"? What are the details and nature of the author's quantitative formulas?

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Today I replied to Matti's comment on mine:

At 10:57 AM, Blogger ThePeSla said...

Matti,

Sorry for the delay in responding to your comment to me.

I am not seeing a deeper octonian space surrounded by a quaternion surface- but the two relate as if the same space- more of a consequence of notation as information theory rather than just core number theory considered alone.

BTW one day, as soon as my own retirement becomes stable- I would like to buy your books if you will notify me at LoversOfWisdom@yahoo.com what is there. I have not been able yet to send money on line.

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Perhaps some have noticed that I did not post on two vague ideas which I understand is a matter of debate as to how we view such higher space physics. Using the COBE background I had a series of symbols with no, one (like the perpendicularity sign) two for my teleological approach, and five for a unified theory of sorts. But what of three and four? Well, as far as I can tell in my sporadic education it is a matter of choice if we see things as 3+1 or pure 4 space (2x2) formalism (Dirac used both in practice). 3+1 seems to be the emphasis of Lubos and Rowlands (and other quasi-physics ideas like Wilbur's analysis of holon like theories). Matti seems more aware of the pure forms that may be the heart of topological explanations. My point is that both descriptions apply and maybe in a unified way. In a sense these way to view things like space as if inflation or membrane theories is akin to the linguistic ideas of our human concepts of developing language. Yet both views are limited to our mathematical notations and traditions. For example each can be a comprehensive and total theory and can even be seen to state the opposite as if a shadow or a more subjective hidden assumption that what seems to be the concrete grounding of their notions while it may be the exponential notations widely used describes things well enough as in quantum theory I cannot tell but suspect these are not adequate notions or not deep enough in the arithmetic to point us in more certain directions. Another example, and I do not mean to imply I have read all his work, mainly because the books are too expensive, that in a sense although my background is more Bloomfield and Hogben, a sort of scientific humanism, that the quasic view is closer to how Chomsky describes language between the two views- Thus when Lubos in his communication with one of the Penrose ring authors asks about scale the concept really is asking a bias from the opposite spirit of the theory that aims for a reduction into such a centered theory of measurement. A relevant reply would of course involve a deeper concept of greater unity of the physics.

Now, in the quasic, and yes Matti, flatness of space, we can think of some sort of partition measure over vaguely defined scales where some abstract coordinate as if fractal like music can measure a distance to another coordinate- which in flatland does indeed seem like a spooky action at a distance. All of this in a sense to be restricted or reduced to absolute and positive quadrants of axial orientations.

Of course the question of what we see beyond the big bang or of super symmetries or greater dimensions or that ex nihilo or quenched but extending to discrete or potentially infinity, perhaps too the claims of the "mind of God" is an issue that in our time awaits further clarification in both the emergent or absolute grounding we have to critically decide can be the case of a reasonable theory of everything which is still an open question.

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Thoughts for a Novel

Thoughts for a Novel

Well, perhaps others get it or they do not; perhaps it is somewhere in between. My physics doomed to go where all compromises go until we figure out if the earth or the sun is the center of the universe, some Tycho Brae who left his name on some rather radiant crater on the moon. Anyway, what I said and its evolving is there for a reference as I decide to change pace awhile- thoughts more personal and philosophic due to another winter and my children interested in their ancestors. But it is the linguistic theme, I know now that a lot of the rules of grammar in the use of English were private myths and far too rigid for a living language. For awhile then I will post here some thoughts that may be worthy of sharing and developing as a novel. What is it about us that we are so curious about our ancestors and stories of their childhood? But in this fiction I shall try to keep the scenes close to the facts that transcend their artistic embellishments in hopes that what we amazing humans learn is somehow universal, perhaps beyond that.

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You Were No Angel L. Edgar Otto 12-01-10



(some first ideas for a novel project recalling the lives of relatives- whom at the time I did not think the stuff of novels... The general themes here, when I can learn to write better, are the changes we go thru over time so far from others, we now butterflies disdaining the egg let alone the worm or ourselves and each others metamorphosis. And this one that seems so visceral and sensual and creamy- that great question of what it means to deal with one's real and step parents in the context of individual experience, culture, and what is passed down as myth and family.)



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"Too often we learn, if we learn, compassion for others because we have hurt them."(my status on facebook today)



"You were no angel in days gone by, you asked no question so why should I ?I don't care what you used to be, for I know what your are today." (an old country duet)



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Intent and distracted, concentrating on his mixing of colors, the flow of water and salt like tears on paper with the gravity, an eyelash detaches from his camel hair brush as he tries to paint within the lines, melt the hues and break the cakes of wax from his color box. Eugene's cigarette fell from his lips that surprised him with involuntary quivering delaying his jumping up to find it from smoke and ash and the sunset cherry threat of fire between his legs.



In the dry desert sands before empires spread the Sultan's rule over the trade routes and migrations of the people, before the prince had his nursemaid and the eunuchs served and entertained, their boyish chants and songs, their catering and choice of gossamer veils assisting the lady of the day with her toilet, she picked from the harem, the tribal and pagan people following a wandering star across the milky way ten thousand generations in search of frankincense, Abigail knew that it was not she who gave birth who was the mother of her princely child, but her big bosom slave woman who indulged him with her breasts.



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Some of today's chat with Sebastian:

Today
[Sebastian Otto]
11:24am
good work on the family tree, very cool to see it layed out
[You]
11:25am
I need to check the spelling and dates and list a little bio for each one I remember
It used to be spelled Dickson when I looked up some records in Charlotte, that family from around the Morehead City NC area
[Sebastian Otto]
11:26am
i was wondering why some like Helen Kay and Phillip looked faded
step?
[You]
11:26am
It made me think about writing a short novel that told of things I remembered
that was an afterthought Melvin is step brother and Helen Kay and Phil are half siblings
I did write a short paragraph or two but I am not sure it is good enough writing- I will post it as "You Were No Angel" shortly in my NOTES
[Sebastian Otto]
11:29am
i think it would be a cool project to make another pie chart with my genetics. not just yours and moms. like a merger of the two
[You]
11:29am
did you mean your blog invite only- it is OK but I want to know if it is an error?
hehe
just divide the chart into 8, merge them?
[Sebastian Otto]
11:30am
there is a story why my blog was put off the web for awhile. mom got really nosey and was reading my stuff
she got upset when i bashed David a bit
and made a big deal about the stolen cell phone i had
[You]
11:31am
I suppose you could call Norman's German part and Gustav's Prussian part German
oh
[Sebastian Otto]
11:31am
i don't want to write online if i get bad feedback like that
so Ive been wondering how to deal with it
either make an alias project or filter myself more
[You]
11:32am
well, you are entitled to your private stories, and maybe some pictures. On gals mom overreacted and grounded her- but I thought the facebook pics were rather innocent.
[Sebastian Otto]
11:32am
it sucks really, but she is good at hunting down things about you online
[You]
11:32am
I should hire her
poor gal, sifting thru my obscure physics!
I tried to find some of my relatives on line but have no luck at all, yesterday
[Sebastian Otto]
11:33am
well i know Nate is doing an extensive hunt
[You]
11:33am
It is like I am in a different universe
[Sebastian Otto]
11:33am
i need to share what Ive found
[You]
11:33am
I wonder what Nathan wants to find
and Lauren
[Sebastian Otto]
11:34am
Justin is in Virginia now
[You]
11:34am
how we all died of some disease maybe?
[Sebastian Otto]
11:34am
and i should give him directions to buddy's grave
[You]
11:34am
Yeah, I saw him yesterday on line at the house and he said there as a bed for you if you needed it
I said well it is good to know he is welcome
then (as if someone was watching) they said Arian is welcome too
hmmmm
Justin said it was warm but dead there and the palm gone
but if he gets bored he can always go somewhere
[Sebastian Otto]
11:36am
if anyone, Justin is good at smoothing things over
[You]
11:36am
we know what a job that will be with your mom
e
I mean
what if I find some relatives after all this time
I did find an email which said my step mom only 6 yrs older had kidney failure Etta Grey
[Sebastian Otto]
11:37am
you know, i found some Ottos in Norfolk
i never had the time to visit them, but they are out there
[You]
11:37am
I mean, maybe I don't want to find out they vanished long ago-
[Sebastian Otto]
11:38am
its a hard project to undertake but it seems everyone is interested
it must be because of baby talk
[You]
11:38am
I doubt any there are related- but amazingly in the photo store picking up photos I mean David Otto from Boston who was my grandfathers brothers cousin
Yeah, the idea of seeing if one looks like a relative. All you kids look more to me like one or another of my relatives
[Sebastian Otto]
11:39am
i thought the Dixons were German too?
[You]
11:40am
Jean and me stayed with David who is a phd Harvard environmentalist when Arian was born
[Sebastian Otto]
11:40am
and where is mom's native American?
[You]
11:40am
They are English- but I think there may be a little Danish in them but cannot verify it
I may have confused the great grandpa of Minnie who was all indian but in the merchant marine
it was so long that my grandma only knew how to speak Cherokee in the child hood hymns
she told me of stories of her in the log cabins with (uncle Joe Hooker) whomever he was
[Sebastian Otto]
11:42am
interesting
[You]
11:42am
heck, I enjoyed stories myself of their childhoods and I never thought it was the stuff of a great novel
one time they went to the silent movies and when a picture of a locomotive came toward the screen everyone ran out of the theater
[Sebastian Otto]
11:43am
i think it would be awesome if you had a book
several books
[You]
11:43am
hmmmm
I bought some books (see spheresendblog) for 30$ to help improve my English
yesterday- first I bought something for myseolf in a great while
[Sebastian Otto]
11:44am
you did some poem project not that long ago that i really liked. what was the name of it? distar? no
[You]
11:44am
Infinitea
[Sebastian Otto]
11:45am
i think that was it
[You]
11:45am
but it was rather sci fantasy
[Sebastian Otto]
11:45am
it seemed like a good format for it to be published or something
[You]
11:45am
I did write a series of poems Pipe Song of the Sea Horse but it is lost
I extensively discussed the situation after the break up - wrote it for all you guys\
oh well
it was hard just typing the titles 600
[Sebastian Otto]
11:46am
yeah that is a shame
[You]
11:46am
all it takes is practice really
[Sebastian Otto]
11:46am
but you have new stuff now
[You]
11:47am
yeah guess so, but how many times can we reinvent ourselves
and I have to sort out what I can recall of that work
when I make something new
but most things are lost we write4
and living is more important
it is just that I set up so much, so that it could in theory leave you guys something and I would not have to mess with govt retirement bs
guess, it could happen again
but we all have to do best we can in our lives
and I am sad that I made so many mistakes with everyone, like my brothers
and that all that sacrifice in the name of work cannot now be paid back
all I can say is
try to do better for you own family tree down line
too much learning to care for others, if we can learn the lesson, is remorse from hurting them
... damn I am writing some sort of novel :-):-)

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Telavivirial Topologies

I bought some books yesterday- the oxford one on philosophy in particular so as to resume my thoughts when I saw it in the late 90's and on the dalnet philosophy chat. It is the first time I have really bought something for myself in a while just for the sake of learning. Anyway I have thoughts (due to some comments yesterday from my son who thinks he understands but will not because of the loss of some much of my poetic writings addressing it) that in my own childhood, and that my kids did not fare well as victims of divorce- there should be a law forbidding marriage for those who do not understand the consequences of being unstable parents- and with few exceptions words like step-mom or stepfather are a scandal to the health of individuals, family and language. Again, we feel wounded and like strangers and the anxiety if we survive it can get us thru the idolatry or the feeling we have a nice dinner with Christ in our dreams rather than supplicate in hard times to fear to face the divine, for in that world too, lost of the garden or myth of one, we feel like intruders or strangers- alienated far away from self compassion and for our fellow man and above all for the children.

Facebook Status today: The way the finances work for us, well it just does not seem very logical nor well thought out when one reaches a pointless ripe old age so in effect are disabled- what is the point of school now? or a business to create jobs? I called to find out if I can op out of this social security that keeps things at a certain level that prevents new abundance and growth for the general climate. There was a Veterans Administration for me in name only not only full of false promises but having those set me back compared with others, even the disabled- my own land war in Asia. I have mixed feelings about the release of classified state department documents- because I see it as political and determined by the power that is who has in the past as an administration not protected its agents. I note, in documents now stolen and lost from my storage worked for as my own retirement as business and intellectual property, the diplomatic exchanges look a lot like the inter office and agency memos in my records that really confirmed and told the truth of my ill treatment- and thus for all veterans who had not the decency to die.

L. Edgar Otto facebook status:
A Southern accent can be confusing to you Yankees. When I say I'm retard people think I am saying I'm retired. It is a very fine linguistic line.

Telavivirial Topologies

Here I take the term virial from Rowlands and try to generalize the concept when it come to a quasic space view of dimensions. Having accepted an n-dimensional aspect of our reality as concrete space I agree (with Lubos) this is not about the question of multiverse or universe. Yet it could be about a lot of seemingly mysterious aspects on the frontier of physics. His question of anthropocentric reasoning applied to things like global warming is more an open question of philosophy that what some should strive to understand as hard science.

But the issue is where is the center of something to which things may descend or be attracted to in some smooth space over a skeleton of string like objects? Can the center be moving? Can it be a general center in these diaspora questions which seem to have an analog in religious history?

Does sociobiology exist in a closed system? Do we survive as a system or empire a little longer by become part of the culture and adapting our language to it? Yet with all the struggles of issues for adapting and culture carried with us in some order not fixed for our traditions it is universally clear that our spirit over its own candles and tent fires makes us feel but guests in the world- and often our landlords turn against us. There is anxiety over such things as deep as the subjugation of ten of the tribes of Israel and soul searching. I understand that in these matters of philosophy maybe one does not really want it widely understood, nor understood too soon, for the young are developing minds and we in cold scientific technology are not always aware of the impact it may have on them. Let us pray our children are strong enough to face these issues head on and survive them, be they matters of the heart or cosmology.

Philosophy itself is like an atom, principia theoria (gee, gobbledygook does at time include Latin derived words or Latin itself to which the grammarians justly criticized as inhibiting art can be used as guard dogs to sic upon the arrogant if the issues are understood as well the responsibility and consequences of implementation. In Judaism and to quote the Christ- "wherever two or more are gathered there I will be also". Let us praise small cells of learning and its dialog regardless of some great center of teaching for dialog, even if it goes underground.

Or the various peripheral philosophies- the philosophy of (-science, -mathematics, linguistics, -mind...) jump in and out and mirror flip to the core of metaphysics, epistemology and logic as if a virial holy trinity that denigrated is claimed by the young physicists for their expertise in world view. Let us gaze then into the atom of philosophy be it concrete and practical or abstract as if the universe of light or much wider beyond the nematodes and cosmic strings, matter opaque and dark.

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Comment to Lubos as he synchronously posted close to today's topic:

Lubos,


Now there is something deep, new and interesting to which I agree with your statements and your careful consideration of this concept. Last night I thought I would have to generalize the concept roughly your position on the 3+1 formalism.


Of course there is no formal philosophy of mathematics even when it is generally now thought mathematics stands higher than it presumed grounding in logic. Tunneling seems to bring up the issues again that perhaps the spaces of such stringy frames are not totally smooth.


Nor is it clear that Popper is in the end a rationalist. Anyway, I thought you might be interested to know that the generalization the poet in me coined the term Teleavivirial logic from (springtime hill) the region in Babylon and now a capital. Should a faith be dispersed and part of a greater and shifiting region or a temple that is a target of conquest?


Of course I am speaking recently from a more intuitionist view of math as creative art- but it seems to me all the philosophic stances apply. Geometry is after all a mathematics.


The PeSla

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Telavirial Logic

Basically we ask a question not so much of the 3+1 division of forces and planes in a rather holonic vision of dividing space but ask of this as to the quasic plane of so many dimensions as if a brane where the values of the totality are cubes.

In a cube we can have pairs of squares, the total being 6n^2, Likewise in a hypercube we can have pairs of cubes 8n^3. In the transparent matter (Opposed to hidden or dark, opaque) we only see and orient these based on the pairs be they a center or not. Thus the "virial" consequence of n-dimensions in this case is 7 + 1 formalism. (Although 2 + 2 or in general any wider dimensional space can be imagined to work as a formalism just as well).

Thus we can imagine the logic of syllogism or the possibilities of Eddington like space fundamentals as 64x64x64 or 1024 represented as two cube in 4D each 512 or 8^3 but one of these is as if a mirror. However it is also true that 1024 can be a brane like square 32^2 as a quasic plane representation. This is further worked out even in a 3+1 formalism where 64^2 - 1024 is equal to 2^10x3. Clearly, these simple integral (and quasi-finite) arithmetic of space sets up what is rational or not between all these n-virial dimensions by simple intuitionist intelligible geometry.

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Sultan (in our discussions on poetry and linguistic analysis): In the uses of English in your poetry even in the translation I get the sense of what is in the language of Arabic itself- that it is steeped in tradition wherein it uses words from time to time which are archaic. I too appeal to such words only it is unlikely they come thru in the translation. (Indeed, being in the language certain phrases I take fore-granted are idiomatic- as if I had to learn a phrase that is in effect a whole new agglutination of words of which to be fluent in English it is an very large vocabulary to burden a new learner.) The dislike of the grammarians (that detracts from the vague art sense) does come from strict and personal interpretation of strictness to some rule or tradition, some dogma without recognition of heart out of the context and imposing of that context and order of the dialectics not to deviate from them beyond moderation.

On the other hand, I am not convinced there is not a quasi-intelligible parallel of nuances between the meaning or even use of words and word-phrases of which some modern philosophers maintain a radical view that a word can be so fluid as to be a unique unit that makes such language comparisons a very relative enterprise. After all the quasic space pixel or unit in a sense is a singularity beyond a certain range and as with all the unclear and unresolved problems of Zeno these can be infinite regresses resolved and useful in a world of abstract scale and fractal like groundings for models of space and counting.

Again, the continuity of laws and dimensionless values does not depend on a centered space and history alone- nor the virtual averaging of past histories alone, nor randomness and teleology- we have to try to reach a little higher beyond Zeno's defense of the Paramendesian Sphere and what level of its symmetry laws conservation in a world of Cartesian extension defining matter atomically, or Heraclitean cones only to defend as a grounding for an absolute physics of change. In effect we still have to come to grips with the core issues of creation from the Euclidean eternal or ex nihillo be these real or virtual. Ultimately a change of Paradigm (Kuhn's term) is always a step beyond what was once magically viewed then seen as science that then is resolved into the intelligible view that it does not amount to a new paradigm as it is quasi-real in the existing resolving frontier of physics and thought.

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My poem of yesterday:

Smitten by the Acoustic Band L. Edgar Otto 11-30-10





They where three virtues whose songs were lighter than a feather

yet the notes fell as fast as my stone heart in the vacuum of my soul.



One strummed the guitar and the other the accordion while in the

background the third keep time with her snare drum



Gitbox and Squeezbox with Tambourine three virtues or fates

took me to the shores of ancient inland seas, their gig, my dates



Unsigned their harmonies, simple plain their songs, one so distant she

seemed a moving marble statue made of whispering stars and moonlight



The other reflected her as if earth shine, obscuring Venus behind

what stood out against the starry night beckoning, cradling me with her crescent



Cymbols was just another Ringo one of us whisks and rims and drum head

my body felt within the echos of the rhythm breaking the membrane of my brain



Which one shall I love, or each in turn, will they turn upon each other

I the wind for her sea shell song, or drunk dancing to her sisters?



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This idea comes from the three movements concerning the nature of Christ that was eventually resolved by the council of Nicea (or conflicts). I chose three ladys here for the question of what is the substance that is similar or different or shared with the One God.

* * * what's new on newscientist today:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20827893.500-how-to-create-temperatures-below-absolute-zero.html

This is right on topic of seeing a little deeper- a bizarro world the article says
and I posted recently some such ideas on the entropy thinking it borderline bizarre- maybe the thermodynamics of synchronicity- did I read this article in advance? Did I create it in my sphere of perceptions of the universe? How dare I question the direction of heat flow in a lava-verse? Or maybe it is a wishful bizarre article after all. :-) Perhaps, to go a little mystical observing that sensed remotely but unexplained- we all are closer to a small shift as if the myth of a great quickening or weak pre-echos from it of a paradigm change worldwide in the post-economic post alphanumeric age. In any case for all practical purposes the relationships around me and the things encountered in this time of research may as well have been engineered or willed somehow- I mean, its Omnilogical in the existential present to find the path in possible places- like I told Marcus it would be this way last month when we discussed the deep points of star types right on and he I Ching. Would the negative index of refraction go good with this bizarro entropy to make some rather interesting animation vids? Of course not all words are isolated in their meanings and even at a distance they are only quasi-free. The veil of anxiety lifted, and free exchange unto progress is optimism really on the other side of the uncanny valley- at least in this dreamed or conjured neighborhood. Now what? Perhaps I should think to have new and bigger dreams!