Friday, March 9, 2012

Of 19 digit accuracy of Clocks in the Continuum since the Big Bang Creation


Of 19 digit accuracy of Clocks in the Continuum since the Big Bang Creation (and Why I Understood 'pointloop' on the Philosophychatforum when no one else did) also (Alternatives to Structural Printing)

L. Edgar Otto 09 March, 2012

I imagine those whom have invested time for a life work can readily understand and see the truths in their own systems but how as artists can we judge our own work although there is probably no better way when the right is there to testify what is in our minds, ultimately. So this is a general paradox of human understanding.

To the extent we can finally immerse into another theoreticians theory of everything, coming closer we find at the frontier in in ages past deep connections uncanny in their similarity (this really a quasic and philosophic question of uniqueness and originality discerned from similarities.)

The general response can go two ways- to regard such concepts as pointloop's on the philosophychatform and like me banished from the sciencechatforum part of the domain- as alternative and more uselessly metaphysical than scientific. While they usually demeaned the bloggers as outside a proper forum for science they suggested I get a blog. They were right but I did not want to do it there as so many of my friends were dismissed out of hand as alternative and even pseudoscientific mystical thinkers.

pointloop in particular once asked me why I understood what he was saying when everyone else did not. He eventually withdrew but not before saying he had better things to do in his golden years than post such discussions with such resistance for what he felt was a free contribution.

I have made some mistakes in the debating which I regretted and had to state my errors, that I was wrong to so judge a system or an idea. This does not mean I accepted anything that came along- but I like to think the marketplace of ideas shared can advance us all. But all this was then and issues we all feel whether we reject new ideas as not unique or first because they are universal, or reject them because the laws are universal and only those experts have the right for research and enquiry.

So, the question then is how this relates to my experience of enquiry very similar to Pitkanen's the more I become familiar and can comprehend his system and its consequences.

For one thing his aims at what is a little to scientific for me for in the new age like realm of ideas, the existence of some sort of field or body, aura like, well some new data on the sci mags seem to suggest something can be seen, that these have a measure of frequency based on certain prime and other number theory that closely corresponds to what is observed in the life processes, especially consciousness. The way to measure things, the practical approach as old as Aquinas in our engineering involving lasers and other nanotech is after all a practical scientific approach rather than the theory from generalizations down. We know now that there is more to it than the inductive and deductive grounding to explain observed phenomena.

Yesterday in the Science Daily and Newscientist sci mags there were articles that I thought stood out for matters of our attention. Lubos on his blog suggests a relationship to matter and dark matter and why one comes over the other as intimately related to an idea of symmetries of the types of matter particles involved- It is about time someone suggested this for what we alternative new physicists have said to some degree of accuracy all along.

One is the nineteen digit accuracy of clocks by aligning electrons to orient them to a neutron in the nucleus in its orbit that reaches back to the supposed beginning of the big bang in length of time.

Another is the approach to building up of objects as an alternative to 3D printing based on the amazing properties of origami enfolding up from the micro level of the geometry.

Pitkanen did what I did in 65 or so, and what we all do when we make that choice to see the world as more continuous or more discrete, that is conceive of sub fields that have an influence on how life differentiates and integrates its cells, I called my Leonic fields, his is the magnetic body. From this I also come very close and with substructures that are vague but a little more coherent on that what he calls dark atom level in that I see the structure of particles more as he does. But both of us will be confusing in the decoding of what we say for we have elements of both ways to see the universe.

I am the Felix Klein to he the Sopheus Lie in our division and approach to the methods of enquiry as a philosophy of physics. While he seems to be, and strives not to appear outside the mainstream of terms and issues as science to which I constantly need a disambiguation of these standard term to which they have shifted in philosophic meaning, I the more radical in my methods am seen more inside the idea of what is scientific simply because most do not understand and that equates to empty and irrelevant if not outright false theory in the eyes of those who cannot or cannot admit they do not understand. But is hard to argue with intelligible numbers that have made the connection to intelligible patterns, pictures- that or there idea of numbers or even the probability concepts crumble as intelligible grounding.

So from my theory of everything, the Omnium, the general philosophic term I have used since 64 and I understand Penrose suggested the term also, most of the mysteries in today's physics of which they are aware and cannot answer or even allow alternative levels of answers despite nothing else offered or their theories appearing as dead ends for dead end careers (science the negative results is a noble justification for its enquiry as we all should realize and know) can be explained by this subtle new third physics which is very wide and can have in parts other formulations on the frontier like galatomic, pointloop, TGD and others of which I have not encountered but assume they are out there somewhere- perhaps in the delay of classified projects.

This awakening is also the awakening of self doubts and questioning. The universities are full of grandiose administrators who use the weapon that things sound grandiose to them and are sometimes in my experience thinking they are above the law in dealing with social issues like hitting on the coeds or hiding drug use and so on. We have lost a lot of respect for the faculty who it seems to me as the backbone of power in a university did a better job running it as human and not just a business. The laws do not matter if they can be imagined as just a matter of political change of fortunes, that in a wider sense their behavior would be legal- thus all things can be rationalized and this will work until they get to the very intelligible foundations of any system or process involving collective and individual elements.

These self doubts represent for those who are afraid or cannot be equal to the effort and who are otherwise healthy is a step climb curve to learn about themselves and the world. If we integrate our symbols we in theory can integrate our understanding and influence the trends in the evolution of our psyches for a future.

I took a file system model, keeping it simple in the levels yet very hard even for me to navigate it as with all who make decision process to some more complex goal. But in doing so, my domain project- I organized the symbols as if in an awaken dream that conformed to the 25 of the structures involved that in a sense this is an analog (and I am not sure h varies in a hierarchy but Pitkanen has that right on many levels of genetics and particle physics, quasically at least- that the initiator and the 25 particle is the one like the Higgs in conception with all the paradoxes of what it is and why it is different and why we cannot pin down a theory of its mass without the alternative physics of the topology and arithmetic.

In any filing system in which we may allow for easy navigation through the wormholes to a presented region or page in virtual space, there should be a certain logical flow between the pages or mouths of wormholes along with the defaults and so on. There is more beyond the general structure of 24 in the quasic map of the DNA and the chemical properties of proteins, To arrange things intelligibly is to arrange things also in our personality and minds that we can understand ourselves and the universe- after all there is the intermediate level of the chromosomes of quasic similarity expression and quasi-independent influences. It is clear also that this idea of a consciousness to analogs of the numerical and topological physics does not depend only on the number of say nerve connections but also of abstract stereonometry of structures virtual and real and how could it be otherwise within certain limits if there is a magnetic body as analogs we call our minds? But for now there are two distinct approaches to the reality of higher dimensions and super symmetry's.

But if no one else is interested, that does not reflect on me or is my problem for I shall not pontificate nor abuse the pure enquirers.

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My blogger friend with a very good blog posted this result on neutrinos which goes along with some of the new ideas on these mysterious particles: here

The pattern I call keyhole permutations I arranged in the Sukodu format but it leaves a sort of hole in the center (one that Lubos suggests when all the 9 numbers are filled in someone can guess the center one, a sort of filling in the missing piece when all is obvious. But also read that in the translation and point-looping of the subcells of the tesseract in effect we have a center real or virtual of one outside the 8. It is not enough to just develop asymmetric algebra for the particles but to understand why this is the case and why as the article linked to finds the suggestion the laws on either side of a mirror of matter and anti-matter appear different. See the illustrations in the close by posts. The Constellation Rider is in a sense the initiator of these sequences involving the arithmetic of symmetry breaking in the dimensional topological context. We can also colorize the key holes to explore deeper levels of symmetry all intelligibly related. In a coherent magic square on the smallest level it can be any one of the 8 as things move and we try to interpret what the orientation means. The Great Grand Joker is divided with his shadows of the lesser jokers and dispersed as discrete spectral energy at least in the lower levels of general and virtual (thus some form of a relation to the noirium or various dark concepts such as dark flow of which the coherent structures move somewhere, motion and rest the inertial defaults.

This link on the sci mag for reference and also relates to the idea of the last poem posted: here
and here relating to the more accurate clock.

Also this link relating to the general ideas of structural printing: here


As we well know the signals around 125 or so for the Higgs that seems to grow more illusive the closer we get- until perhaps this particle beyond the 24, it the 25th in the scheme of filing Fibonacci is zero, 50 50 proving it there I suppose at least as far as direct experiment is concerned. However from the quasic view these things still occur in natural 3D a keyhole idea requiring triality multiples of 3n, as in 27 and 81 related to that constrained and observed in natural and standard dimensions of inferred supersymmetry levels: here

Symbolically, the Constellation Rider or the Great Grand Joker in such a stereonometry system is of a higher neutral level than its inverse pair of subjokers although we keep one or two jokers in the deck for the standard 52, and we have not quite managed to know more than rumors of that beyond the Major Arcana or the I Ching as if codon reading, of which we know can be done, is read by 256 of 8 lines instead of the 64 of 6 lines or the 16 That is 12) of four lines and so on - surely by now, if the mixing is observed of such differences in neutrino mixing laws or the channels of decay of the so called Higgs it is this difference in Rider Jokers, of which it is not that we are lucky to find the masses within experimental range, it is simply the fact that even the complicated laws of nature are intelligible, that is if we want a deeper and more foundational explanation.

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3 comments:

  1. The more I have read about this field the more convinced I have become that there are two fields actually interviening. Continous AND discreate. The symmetry and topology tell its clear message about discreateness, and EPR etc. paranormal things as minds tell us about continous worlds. We know today very little about a continous world, say Machian, with ether. In a way gravity is continous too ('piezoelectric'). Dark worlds that have some interactions on this world of ours is another interpretation.

    If physics is at all on the right track also astronomical events like suns and planets, galaxies, etc. must be able to explain in quantum language. So why not try to do that then? This shows how difficult the QG approach is.

    http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-03-weve-cosmological-constant-wrong.html see the link BEC a typical quantum formation, the results suggest that there may be no a priori reason to describe the cosmological constant as vacuum energy. Instead, the cosmological constant may emerge from the underlying quantum theory of gravity describing spacetime. From such a theory one would be able to derive a theory of gravity (general relativity or any form of modified gravity) This makes GR an ad hoc theory!

    Well, is gravity symmetric or not? I guess it has to be? Otherwise our Universe would have been destroyed long ago? It is still topologic and shows hierarchy. So, what is gravity? Compare to ZEO. There must be an answer.

    http://www.physorg.com/news/2012-03-physicist-einstein-beaten-bohr-famous.html
    there was no way quantum mechanics could include both entanglement and the belief that nothing could travel faster than the speed of light. If causing a change to one particle instantly caused a change in the other, how could it do so without violating such a basic principle? He called the whole thing “spooky action at a distance.”

    singularity is also counter intuitive . Firstly you can say it is one object of planck length but it is also an infinite number objects of planck length . Sorry for the word object , in fact it is not possible to visualize it . It is something like a Bose Einstein condensate billions of atoms acting as one . Those objects of Planck length do not not have space , time , mass like our universe.

    That is the reason why entangled particles are in fact one and the same particle and seemingly different particles . It is like schrödingers cat , it is dead and alive . Body and mind.

    Entanglement is the condition in which two particles have for 100% the same characteristics
    Except position. So they're still in a unique state. And spin is relative and in entangled state 0. (opposite). The other link said QG was linked to BEC, that is spin?

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  2. Ulla, on a light note I posted some interesting things done with paint on the next post, a speculative story or poem, a mythology that is the concern of this dancing with neutrino ideas- but I do not know if the ideas make the poem or the poem needs the ideas to be made sense of. In the neutrino world of neutral opposites, be it string or that quasi-finite (yes, continuous or discrete views) the quantum cat can indeed be both alive and dead at the same time and also in that state superimposed where it is not known which until the collapse of the wave function- both cases are tenable.

    Yes the logic of things the same, a philosophy issue, but can be different in position, or for that matter time, is the idea of how quasics is involved in all this. This sort of mirroring or modeling with opposites can be put into the properties of binary numbers in a way that I suspect some of the string theories are figured out as well as quasics and TGD approaches.

    Quasics, as you observe, can be an infinite regress, a recursive things where fractals appear, but this is not always a problem or an error in logic although some may use the idea of such positive and absolute fractals as an error of approach. Such condensing of things (well gravity if zero and positive only, only symmetric in the conception and equation or if it one day loops back in some sort of cycles and the whole process symmetrical in its asymmetry...and so on.

    Also you are thinking about my concern as to among the zillions of paths and photons what makes one unique and not similar to any other- is there one or a condensate of the multiverse? For object as you use the word I use the world entity.

    Thank you for the comment. I hope you enjoy the simple illustrations. I have no deeper thoughts today on the physics so I thought in this finally spring warm day I would post some fun doodling. I will answer your questions with my take on it later and after reading your links presented.

    I am debating what to spend money on for art and science and music domain projects if you have any ideas.

    The PeSla

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  3. OK Ulla,

    I did not find the links too deep. Other than there is some mysterious difference on another scale of thing- a hint or suggestion that we need a quantum gravity idea- again it does not rise to the level of speculation of the new physics including TGD, but we have to get through this era of reasoning so it is worth learning even if this stuff is a hundred years old.

    That said I have to resort to philosophy to try to explain things known for centuries from the oriental equivalent of Plato.

    The argument that space cannot be subdivided is that if two "objects" touched how can we know from inside the object it touches another without there being some sort of subdistances or structures? Well, in an even more general world of the unknown like we imagine quantum effects before tunneling there can be the tunnel which can be thought of as wormholes or just the mouths are similar if we want a more familiar interpretation.

    Entanglement does not solve this problem and Einstein not only can beat this centered view of Bohr's planetary model his was the method to do it including the flatness of a cosmological constant- his mistake he said to which the string theorist have reconsidered. This is not very good creative speculation on their part. In the more mysterious levels of the physics a lot of ideas on space and time go sensibly out the window, this begins to look like the problems of neutrinos and the ideas if we interpret things as a sort of dark force or matter. In such a world it makes sense what the neutrinos do as if particles of the spin ice for beyond the context that such a nothingness or ghostly virtual realm can be measured in the first place the scale is meaningless for we can say divide a sphere and resemble it back into two spheres or any number of them by Tarski's paradox. So in this world what determines the finite aspects of measure.

    The symmetries (and in the Platonic realm of an idea of space and continuity where the general formulas and as Kea insists the mathematics, especially of the ideas of entanglement, is at least a problem of arithmetic as a form of information theory), of this higher realm to which we mere humans cannot know is there by imagination as with anything not us and outside our perception and beyond proofs and experiments of such neutrinos considered particles, spinning or not or twisted pointing where broken or not are even more complicated and general for it is not clear that in the local asymmetry of the situation whereas two electrons can change to two neutrinos that we cannot have an interaction of a neutrino like object with a dark object that say gives a photon and a black or neutral dark entity- but is this not the case from some view for the surface of an evaporating black hole? Thus we understand in a fundamental sense as well as the thermodynamics that apply that the arrow of time in all its breaking and creating symmetries may make more sense than the balancing of conservation laws on our mere quantum and relativistic physics levels.

    We seek in generalization a balancing of things in our hopes the context by default is symmetrical and balances the asymmetry but in truth there is a realm where there is no difference if we accept a world someplace both discrete and continuous, as you grasp in your comment only now generalize it to a higher concept of space over the universe- Hilbert space and some of the others are not the most general models of space and time and mass and so on as powerful as these concepts are.

    ThePeSla

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