Complicated Thoughts from Simple Observations

Complicated Thoughts from Simple Observations L. Edgar Otto Jan. 26, 2012

Still here in the coffee shop, a little early to go home, a day off perhaps, save money, no new projects, seems I've gained a day. My informal thoughts move toward a lighter vein- watching how my oil drop in water and alcohol evolves- and what a simple experiment right up there with things like we do not know why (that may have changed) the foam on the top of a stirred cup of tea appears like a galaxy with arms is not explained. Such simple questions we sometimes wonder about are occasionally researched and some of the answers are useful in other areas, for example why ones footprint in the wet sand at the beach seems to make a dry imprint.

So, my artist roommate is on a role with styles and all. He too with a fit of creativity, that sweet universe where our joint projects are justify my being stuck there. He is studying Miro again and tells me of some of his autobiography but as far as I can tell Miro and other influences are not directing his change of styles. I then fancy that Miro, the artist, is not a bad model for the workings of our minds.

The access to easily recover memories in its state of quasi-finite differences in energy and the question of build up and the dissipation of heat in physical processes. What then is unique and real in our memories that can vanish awhile does so into a vacuum outside the immediate physical, say of chemicals and fields, but existence as at least applied metaphysics as a principle and the endurance of patterns and how the patterns stereonomically fit together as structures in the void goes further into vacua than the idea of a non-empty vibrating virtual field. But that we can have such a vanishing of unique memories where such nothingness is absolute as a vacuum is still an open question as to preserving memory and structures if we consider the totality of a universe so to explain it by the absurdity or paradox it based on emptiness. This higher level of the null or nothingness in a sense makes the physics with such shadow concepts seem much more real for the universe seems given and where it not where do the shadows go?

Miro, for my roommate at least, seems to be an art self-therapy of sorts in that it organizes his moods and what some may see as a disassociation of style and mind. This of course is akin to the state between dream and awakenings or one could say the primitive emotion of desire as if our hallucination capacity. Sponozas rather Euclidean attempt as classifying emotions is just that in the light of what we now know as deeper concepts and topologies involving particles and planes.

So, the models of oil drops, rather low tech but that seems a matter of degree. I quite imagine Einstein thinking about gravity and such by thought experiments with the simple idea of Brownian motion in a jar of water and how it has, well, Fermi like levels in relation to the vertical of gravity. Or from what complicated observation, especially there at the dawn of the electrification age, from what did he draw on to see more than the familiar and accepted views of space and time? If not the mathematics developed after the vision then what?

So it is that in a plane, for some mysterious reason as I watched the bacteria at ever higher resolutions with my toy microscope (eventually the height of it was six feet and I had to stand on a chair to use it) become ever more moved by the vibrations on them- somewhat annoying really as I tried to find them and focus. But in a plane with such randomness- after all motion itself does not seem to imply that something was alive there as much as the living things reacting to it, in a plane such random motion, at the square root of the time, eventually comes back to the same place (not so in general natural space). So the ring around my sphere of oil by nature, even not stirred, will cause the smaller spheres to eventually meet and combine. But this does not seem to happen uniformly across the ring. It is rather like a few parts of a ring expanding or contracting as in the physics of the ink drop experiment when it is stirred. Obviously stirring things the other way will not bring back things to a previous order nor completely make them random beyond a certain point of disorder. Yet, in this simple system just like a pendulum or ball set spinning on a string, overall the system loses its motion and reaches a state of rest much like our idea of zero point energies in a system indefinitely open or closed.

I may also wonder if things do apply to layers in the two substance mixing, for from the z axis there are two directions that push on the disk to keep it in place if we can not imagine variations on the square root of time as variations in time- is this not a simple metaphor for time in a gravitational field or can lead to such a more complicated thought? Of course we can put this into just a metaphor of gravity and there is a bottom to any such dynamical process as if what is involved here is a relative asymmetry. Such an idea would not lead conceptually to an idea of dark matter effects as a deeper vacuum or for that matter in the depths of the nucleus of an atom what sort of more general description there can be other than the more complicated application of say the analogs to quantum theory in the vibrations of the vacuum (which by the way we do have some models to explain this phenomenon intrinsically).

But back to Miro, for in a sense his method of approaching art is to take things to the artistic minimums much like the Feynman diagrams when he has made a tracing of various things in his environs- but we know that this process depended on the amount of food he was able to obtain as to its shorthand for the perception of the surreal if one does not abandon the models to only and absolute random cloud physics. I know the influence of food can relate to the access of memory by some very obscure knowledge forgotten or recalled (such that the number of strings on the Irish harp over time on the English royal standard.) From one view it seems that potentially in the vacuum beyond access or not that memory could hold any amount of our experience. It does not seem likely that in such a small space as the brain that we can contain this much potential and accessible information- not even as multi-dimensional, certainly the number of the trillions of nerve connections and networks are not enough, nor the evolved ability to encounter all dangers to the integrity of a systems immunity responses needed, nor just the complexity on a molecular level.
In any case where in the depths do our unique memories and personality go and return after we have experiences deep comas or anesthesia in general?

In this land between sleep and awakenings, desire can go both ways into the rise or fall into joy or sorrow (Spinoza again) the uppers and downers. This is needed that the perceptions do not saturate so as not to be able to see clearly and discern movement and shapes. But is this need for sentient systems foundational? Is there something more fundamental at work here?

Consider the oil drop experiment for the measuring of the charge of a single electron, it seems that in looking back at the data the experiment was fudged or influenced by the bias of the experimenter. Yet, the vague hidden desire as a sort of quasi-certainty was useful if not essential for the progress of the model. This may be the case in general where we try to simplify, understand, and organize our ideas no matter how complex our experimental apparatus and ways to interpret them.
But it may be nothing more than a world a little between how we debate as the more fundamental of physics from the Fermion or Boson approach- that there can be a few confused levels even in the most accurate of experiments hidden in the topology of the vacua. In any case we do dream at the frontier of such worlds and dreams do not always re-normalize to make clear sense or betray clear meanings. Even in early psycho-dynamics at the birth of this field we have the usual debate.

At what point finally do two smaller sphere at a bulge of a partial arm of the ring around some larger center, one that does not always command a true center but may react to its other drops in the ring, do they merge if not by a more general idea of things like the Casmir force and other analogs to models, perhaps this force as fundamental after all and not a secondary phenomenon, attractive and repulsive too, is the mechanism of where and when they merge or for that matter where and when a photon leaves an electron on some both up and down shell in an atom?

In this world where we debate the nature of what is the fundamental physics, the ideas of fields and so on... of a zero point vibration level, we may not find the next generalization (and we are indeed fortunate to have the great debates for unification of the quantum and relativistic realms at the same time in history so as to desire their unification as the grounding for our wider world view) by mere appeals to things like chirality so contained in the nilpotent view as the mechanism for organization and creation of physical states. I once thought this so for a principle that would explain the evolving structure of galaxies. Not that such ideas are not needed on the levels they apply, just not quite foundational enough.

But for most of us, it seems we do not desire to seek deeper explanations where it seems that none are needed- anyway, what sort of experiments can there be set up that would record a more general vacuum interactions directly save perhaps by the remarkable sensitivity and powers of self-delusion as an instrument of receptivity and decision of the human brain and mind in all its complexity?

Sometimes, the best part of a poem or the music falls in the silences. I fancy myself a poet more general than the confusion of spelling but as fundamental as it should have been I realize I have not had the deep sensitivity to sounds and words that these entities seem to have. Caution is not always good for exploration of our worlds of thought and matter. But if any of us, even the yet to be firmed up views of the very young who seem to potentially be capable of mastering at least one human language among all of them, think they cannot be fluent complexly in the depth and reservation that things be simple a unity and given, that we do cannot on some level comprehend or directly experience the science and philosophy unto comprehensions- you have either not found the challenges of it even in the schools, or have been led astray and told wrong.

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Kea has a most excellent paper posted today :-)

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That link was certainly worth staying around in the coffee shop today :-) a couple of thoughts last night - I vaguely recall 27 involved in the crossings of lines by some mathematician. I also thought about the 2^3 ratio as natural to dark matter like values observed (and perhaps cancelled in the mirco and macro world Casmir like extentions of ratios of the dimensionless...) That is to say the foundations in the recursion of the 5's and 8.

Also in playing with these whole numbers counting the quasic null cells I have the impression that 96 involved in say the 24-cell polytope structure itself should be a triplication much as if we involve that number naturally in the spins and inversions of the hypercube. The counting of these hidden threes is rather subtle. But is not the idea of some deeper structures of vacua and things like the dark continuum? I don't know, maybe it is a small intuition that will resolve later. Certainly the effects may be there without the assumption the color thing or the bioctonian thing or its real duplication equivalents necessarily having a hidden fractal structural pattern in quarks. But this fuzzy world of so many layers, the five Coxeter honeycomb like that makes our comprehension of experimental data quasi-uncertain and ultimately independent of ideas of general rotation as the last of geometrical operations equal with translations to reflections...perhaps a somewhat integral or difference in the measure of spin values, say the thirds etc... involving pi and its hidden values there but not directly observed as in Kea's and Louise's intuitions.

Nevertheless, the reality of the grid that marks of a quasic grid (epsilon-delta theory in my past posts) there is an analog as if in the higher gravity it is a higher gravity or mass idea the inertia laws of Newton not quite as simple as a smooth change from rest to motion, but rather classically as quantization. But is not this the case of the contiguity and laws involved anyway?

Still, and issues of general time reversal and its roles are still open in the quasi-filled vacua, the nature of ultimate and exact and standard fitting ratios of the dark continuum models may resolve somehow- perhaps an ultimate symmetry building. When of course we go even into higher abstractions than some of our more sensible and intelligible models or the defense of some others have so far cautiously imagined.

But in general should we regard a gluon as a sort of bounded photon of light? Maybe it flees away from some idea of such a mass that it contains- I mean, we should certainly expect that if such things were free, as with general nature these things in a sense at least virtually be, then on all scales could these not be just a photon say of a vast gamma ray emission level... complicated I know- but I have yet to incorporate and explore these thoughts on our doubly explosive new view of the vacuum and the continua.

Oh, Pitkanen has some interesting posts- I have been neglecting him but think he may need some time for new developments also. My earlier complaints at his links just stating titles of ideas is my fault I did not find the links from these in the design of the web page that contained more information.

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